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Old 12th Jul 2020, 13:11
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We have a spare potential President in the UK if you do not like your present one.

Known as Andrew, Prince Andrew, and Randy Andy, he was the Spare when Queenie produced an heir and a spare.

Currently unemployed. Would make a great choice as President.

We offered him to Iran, but for some strange reason, they declined.

Have you changed the name of your Capital yet?
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 14:23
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Originally Posted by Revnetwork View Post
Only Mitt Romney seems to still have balls..

Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Oh he has them. They just aren't attached.
obgraham, guys that have detached balls tend to be some of the ones that flew over Nam in Hueys that didn't sit on their helmets.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 15:56
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Good thing you live in Oz, a place nobody cares about!
A big part of why no one cares about Australia is because we don't generally start wars for clearly fake reasons like America does.

People in central and south America, to take just one example, only “care” about what the US is up to because they are well aware of the history of brutality displayed by the US to countries that don't comply with the demands of corporate America.

El Salvador. Nicaragua. Honduras. Panama. Guatemala.. Chile. Paraguay.

Yes, people all over the world do “care” about America as they try and figure out which poor defenseless nation is next on the hit list.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 15:59
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
How childish.
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Is that suddenly against the rules around here?
Who knew?
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 16:14
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
How childish.
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You claim to be as pure as the driven snow?
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 20:35
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
You claim to be as pure as the driven snow?
Not at all, anything in particular you like to point at? I'll probably agree to anything.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 20:38
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Is that suddenly against the rules around here?
Who knew?
Give me a break and stop whining, where did I say that? I said it was childish, I still think it was childish, maybe even more now, but I never said it was "verboten". Did I?
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 21:10
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but I never said it was "verboten". Did I?
Stop whining. I never said it wasn't childish, either. But it's not against the rules! Happens every day hereabouts.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 21:43
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
. I cannot see them voting for a Romney or a Jeb or a Rubio or whatever.
Please not Jeb.

I well remember his disenfranchising half of South Florida in order to get his brother elected. Well, not quite half the state, but his was a thoroughly dishonest interference in the democratic process.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:13
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
Please not Jeb.

I well remember his disenfranchising half of South Florida in order to get his brother elected. Well, not quite half the state, but his was a thoroughly dishonest interference in the democratic process.
if any of the three of them offered a platform that appealed to me, I would vote for them, no issue.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 00:20
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It's fascinating to look at the UK's list of countries from which citizens can enter the UK without a quarantine. A lot of 'shithole' countries on the list. The USA is not. And it will be a long time before American citizens are allowed to enter Europe. I know some here will play macho about how they don't care about us European communists, but I imagine its rather harming the US that no-one wants their people anywhere near them. 60,000 cases a day. And there are people who don't care about their citizens dying, avoidably, because it doesn't suit their politics.

And yes, I know the UK has been an absolute disaster as well, we have an equally clueless government, not surprisingly the leaders of our two countries get on well. Electing sociopaths to keep your taxes low and prevent the lower classes from having a chance is all well and good, until there's a crisis in which you need someone competent. I'm in Mexico, also in a very bad way use the president is an idiot. And he's the far left so this isn't a political thing, And it shouldn't be. This crisis has only proved just how much people are willing to accept to support their guy. And it includes people dying.

I used to support the Mexican president. I don't anymore. There's nothing wrong or weak about admitting you were wrong about something. In fact it shows far more strength of character than refusing to budge even when the facts change, just for the sake of pride. I was wrong about the Mexican President.

Take a look at the countries worst affected, and who their leaders are. USA, Brazil, UK, Mexico. See anything in common? Is it complete coincidence? You genuinely believe noone could have done better? The type of government you have hasn't affected this pandemic? Do you even know how ludicrous that is? People willing to accept absolutely anything has been a factor in case and death rates, except for some reason, government. People are needlessly dying and some here, including one who claims to be a doctor, don't care because defending one guy, who couldn't give a fig about them, is more important. Can you imagine the things Trump says in private about the average American like our friends here who so tirelessly defend him? We all know people in terrible relationships with someone who treats them awfully but they refuse to accept reality and will defend their partner come what may.. That's Trump supporters.I actually almost feel sorry for them, except for them enabling people dying.

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Old 13th Jul 2020, 00:28
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Given this is what the trump government is like now,
I can't wait for the dirty tricks closer to and during the voting.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 00:28
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( Not so) Breaking news:
A revolutionary way to fight a pandemic:
Deny it exists.
Go golfing.
Hold rallies.
Belittle it.
Delay neccessary introduction of safety measures.
Delay production of necessary equipment.
Belittle it.
Go golfing.
Pretend it's safe to go easy on protective measures.
Belittle it.
Deny it's raging.
Don't give an example by not using protective measures.
Reduce meetings of pandemic task force.
Tell the people you know better than scientists/doctors.
Advertise untested drug from company you have an interest in.
Belittle it.
Hold rally.
Ignore infections raging.
Ignore numbers of deaths rising.
Declare: 'We have it under control'
Spread message: 'We doing better than any country in the world.
Get out of WHO.
Try to force opening of schools, threating to withhold funds if they don't.
Discredit the leading scientist by claiming he provided wrong/false information. (He only provided information based on what scientific information was available at the time he provided it).
The result. "There are only embers".

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Old 13th Jul 2020, 01:24
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"There are only embers"
Interesting when the 'embers' are more powerful than the original fire. 15,000 ± new cases in Florida yesterday, a new daily high for the nation. Amazingly, the case rate in Alabama (where I have family) has surpassed that of Washington (where I live) and we were the first cases in the US; we have 1.5 times as many citizens..... Embers indeed.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 02:00
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In trump's Fantasyland Presidency he believes strongly that ' just saying it could even make it happen '.

(Kate Bush - Hounds of Love)

(Not King Canute - Henry of Huntingdon) - who from his seaside tidal command chair said:
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Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings, for there is none worthy of the name, but He whom heaven, earth, and sea obey by eternal laws.'
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 03:37
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Trivia time for the last few posters on this thread up to neila83.

Riddle me this without Googling if any of you have the slightest integrity:

As of 2 days ago (too lazy to get the latest #'s), who has the greatest deaths from CV-19, the USA with it's approx 330 Million population or the roughly equal combined population of the UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Italy which closely matches the population of the USA.

Go ahead, make my day.

The choices are, "Yes, the combined populations of these countries have a lower death rate than the USA"
Or: "Perhaps I should STFU on this thread"
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 03:41
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And of course, there's always Fudd's First Law of Opposition (thanks to Firesign Theater)
If you push it hard enough, it WILL fall over.
Go ahead, make my day.
Okay, total for the countries you name is, according to the Johns Hopkins website, 140,014 deaths. The US is currently 135,190. There is a slight difference however, and that is that the countries named have a very decreased infection rate. For example, in the United Kingdom the daily rate is now about 1000 new cases per day vs a high of 5500. The French rate is now about 1000/day vs 5000/day. the Italian rate is now about 300/day vs a maximum of 6000/day, the Spanish rate is about 500/day vs a high of 8000/day. All of these countries showed a rate rising to a maximum and then falling steadily.

Meanwhile, in the US of A the daily rate has risen to 66.000 and rising, with Florida alone reporting 15,000 new cases yesterday. This compares to a national rate of 30,000/day in April at what was thought to be the peak. There was a drop after April to about 20,000/day, but we are now seeing a rise to almost 70,000/day. The increases do not look linear. Please note that deaths lag reported cases by a number of weeks. Is that what you want to hear? Is your day made?

Maybe you should heed your own advice, to whit:
Perhaps I should STFU on this thread

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Old 13th Jul 2020, 03:53
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Not at all, anything in particular you like to point at? I'll probably agree to anything.
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You get pretty petulant when I remind you that the US is the guaranteer of your nation’s freedom. Go back and review a few of your responses.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 06:40
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You get pretty petulant when I remind you that the US is the guaranteer of your nation’s freedom. Go back and review a few of your responses.
You mean since I don't agree, and also point out that it is first and foremost in the US interest to keep that part of the world under your control?
I guess I'm petulant then, not that it bothers me much. I've been called much worse. 😉
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 06:56
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You mean since I don't agree, and also point out that it is first and foremost in the US interest to keep that part of the world under your control?
I guess I'm petulant then, not that it bothers me much. I've been called much worse. 😉
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I’d just prefer you say thank you for the generous US security arrangement that keeps you free. That said, the free speech you enjoy because of said agreements is a pleasant reminder of why we extend the umbrella over you.
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