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Old 10th Jul 2020, 23:04
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
No, the only valid question is "is a President required to release his tax returns?"
You and I likely differ on the answer to that question.
So let's see what the law says. Oh yeah, there is no law about it.
Hmm, you are correct there isn't a law generally for a President to disclose his personal tax information except when it may be intertwined with fraud committed to minimize payment of taxes to the government, either federal, state or local:

By appearing less profitable to tax officials and more profitable to lenders, Trumpís business may have reduced its tax bill and got loans with lower rates from lenders. After ProPublicaís findings, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio asked the DAís office to determine if Trump's business and personal returns, which are conveniently interwoven by Trump, are required to determine if fraud was committed by Trump and Trump, NYC Inc. The investigation continues with subpoenas pending as determined by the US Supreme Court. Given this pattern in his companyís tax records, it makes sense that authorities would want to see the presidentís personal tax returns, too.
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Old 10th Jul 2020, 23:50
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Nice way to solve the immigration problem. From The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...dc8_story.html

The Trump administration is turning legal immigrants into undocumented ones.

That is, the “show me your papers” administration has literally switched off printers needed to generate those “papers.”

Without telling Congress, the administration has scaled back the printing of documents it has already promised to immigrants — including green cards, the wallet-size I.D.’s legal permanent residents must carry everywhere to prove they are in the United States lawfully.

In mid-June, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services’ contract ended with the company that had been printing these documents. Production was slated to be insourced, but “the agency’s financial situation,” USCIS said Thursday, prompted a hiring freeze that required it to ratchet down printing.

Of the two facilities where these credentials were printed, one, in Corbin, Ky., shut down production three weeks ago. The other facility, in Lee’s Summit, Mo., appears to be operating at reduced capacity.

Some 50,000 green cards and 75,000 other employment authorization documents promised to immigrants haven’t been printed, USCIS said in a statement. The agency said it had planned to escalate printing but that it “cannot speculate on future projections of processing times.” In the event of furloughs — which the agency has threatened if it does not get a $1.2 billion loan from Congress — “all agency operations will be affected.”

Some of the missing green cards are for immigrants newly approved for legal permanent residency. Others are for existing permanent residents who periodically must renew their identity cards, which expire every 10 years but sometimes must be replaced sooner (for example, if lost). These immigrants have completed every interview, required biometric assessment, cleared other hurdles — and often waited years for these critical credentials.

The Immigration and Nationality Act requires every adult legal permanent resident to carry their green card “at all times.” Failing to carry it is a misdemeanor, subject to jail time or fines. Immigrants must also show their green card to apply for jobs, travel or reenter the United States.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 00:21
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The Immigration and Nationality Act requires every adult legal permanent resident to carry their green card “at all times.” Failing to carry it is a misdemeanor, subject to jail time or fines. Immigrants must also show their green card to apply for jobs, travel or reenter the United States.
Now you're just looking for stuff to snark about. I carried a green card for almost 30 years. There are rules attached to them and they are very clear. Says right on it -- must be carried by a permanent resident at all times. Have to show it entering the US. May have to show it to an employer (that's newer). And when you turn it in at renewal time you get a temporary, just like for a driver license.

Since the process of getting a greencard is so onerous, there is no excuse for not following the regulations.

Tell me, Winemaker, when the WSP stops you for speeding and you claim "my dog ate my driver's license", do you expect the officer to just say "there, there, that's ok, I'll ticket you next time". After all, it wasn't your fault, it was the dog. Good luck with that.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 00:55
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Now you're just looking for stuff to snark about. I carried a green card for almost 30 years. There are rules attached to them and they are very clear. Says right on it -- must be carried by a permanent resident at all times. Have to show it entering the US. May have to show it to an employer (that's newer). And when you turn it in at renewal time you get a temporary, just like for a driver license.

Since the process of getting a greencard is so onerous, there is no excuse for not following the regulations.

Tell me, Winemaker, when the WSP stops you for speeding and you claim "my dog ate my driver's license", do you expect the officer to just say "there, there, that's ok, I'll ticket you next time". After all, it wasn't your fault, it was the dog. Good luck with that.
How about you stop being deliberately obtuse? The point is, these persons have finished all paperwork, checks, etc. and have been granted legal status to be here. They have to carry their green card, but the INS has stopped printing them so they can't carry one because of actions by the government. They've abided by the rules, taken all the necessary steps, gotten legal status and then...... Is that reasonable to you? As an immigrant how would you have reacted to this situation?
Some of the missing green cards are for immigrants newly approved for legal permanent residency. Others are for existing permanent residents who periodically must renew their identity cards, which expire every 10 years but sometimes must be replaced sooner (for example, if lost). These immigrants have completed every interview, required biometric assessment, cleared other hurdles — and often waited years for these critical credentials.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 01:30
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"It's 99% harmless"
Can you imagine what that translates into for a die-hard trumpster (ob, you being a doctor and those with a working brain are excused), I hope): 'Hey the President says it's ok to go along with our lives, so throw away the masks, f*** social distancing, let's have a party'.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 02:12
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Now you can be safe. You can lie to Congress, the FBI, intimidate witnesses, just about anything that would normally throw you into prison, as long as it is in the interest of Dear Leader nothing will happen to you.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 03:09
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So please point me to a list of immigrants actually being kicked out of the country because the printers were being slow, Winemaker.

You're just nattering about for something else to blame Trump for. After all it's Friday -- and that's all you got this week?
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 03:31
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
So please point me to a list of immigrants actually being kicked out of the country because the printers were being slow,
Trump is always looking for a way to expell folks:
(CNN)California Attorney General Xavier Becerra announced Thursday that the state will challenge the Trump administration's decision not to allow foreign students to take online-only courses in the US this fall semester, marking yet another lawsuit against the guidance.

"This Trump administration policy turns our universities into hotspots of the disease. This policy is just unlawful, it's dangerous and it's morally reprehensible," Becerra said in a virtual news conference, alongside representatives from California Community Colleges and California State University.

The guidance issued by Immigration and Customs Enforcement has received pushback from universities and lawmakers who argue it puts students in a precarious position and threatens to put them in harm's way in the throes of a pandemic. Earlier Thursday, nearly 100 members of Congress sent a letter to the Department of Homeland Security, urging the department to rescind the policy.

"ICE's announcement of their plans to force out or deport international students who remain at U.S. colleges and universities and who are taking a full online course load is cruel and unconscionable," the letter reads. Signatories include Democratic Sens. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, as well as Reps. Jerry Nadler of New York and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts.

Visa requirements for students have always been strict and coming to the US to take online-only courses has been prohibited. ICE maintained that prohibition in its guidance, while providing some flexibility for hybrid models, meaning a mix of online and in-person classes. The agency suggested that students currently enrolled in the US consider other measures, like transferring to schools with in-person instruction. "If a school isn't going to open or if they're going to be 100% online, then we wouldn't expect people to be here for that," acting Homeland Security Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli told CNN's Brianna Keilar.
There was also a report on the radio that Green Card applicants can't come to the US in time to finish their application, by Sept. 1, because the country is locked down.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 03:57
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As you posted
...when the WSP stops you for speeding and you claim "my dog ate my driver's license", do you expect the officer to just say "there, there, that's ok, I'll ticket you next time
Which is it? At least be consistent. And how about answering my question:
Is that reasonable to you? As an immigrant how would you have reacted to this situation?
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 05:12
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Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
Trump is always looking for a way to expell folks:
There was also a report on the radio that Green Card applicants can't come to the US in time to finish their application, by Sept. 1, because the country is locked down.

If youíre here on a student visa and you canít attend class, then either get a different visa that allows you to stay or head home. Do distance learning from your home country.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 07:09
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
If youíre here on a student visa and you canít attend class, then either get a different visa that allows you to stay or head home. Do distance learning from your home country.
This online learning is likely to last only a couple of semesters, until a vaccine is found. Even if there were a different visa type (there isn't), it seems unreasonable to kick someone out of the country for a short duration problem not of their making. The students scheduled to come to the US in September can't get visas because our foreign embasies and consulates are closed. So even if the visa was approved, they can't actually get it issued. And if they could, Trump has locked down the border so they can't travel.

Of course, if you just want to see all foreigners out of the country, that's one way to do it. I understand the attitude, but i don't agree with it.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 07:16
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Now who's being obtuse, Winemaker? Apparently I have to explain everything to you in long winded paragraphs, or perhaps quote something I read online somewhere. So I'll be clear:
As an immigrant how would you have reacted to this situation?
I'd understand that until I actually had the green card, it was not "all approved". And if it appeared that it was due to a known delay in the printing and laminating department, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Because, as I pointed out, and you ignored, nobody has actually been given the boot because their card didn't show up on time. Finally, should the delay have been while waiting for my new card after the 10 year renewal, (a)I have the temporary card, and (b)The INS and ICE also have a large file cabinet and know that they would not be able to escort me to the Rio Grande without a whole lot more legal shenanigans.

But of course, as I'm sure you will point out, it wouldn't apply to me, being Canadian/Brit at the time, and having the vaunted White Privilege tatood onto my pale ass.

Now can we move on to something a bit less imaginary to get all shirty about? How about Trump's penchant for red ties?
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 09:04
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
If youíre here on a student visa and you canít attend class, then either get a different visa that allows you to stay or head home. Do distance learning from your home country.
Or drop US unis altogether, your economic loss.
As for Trump/Stone, it makes me wonder, was the US always a Mickey Mouse country and Trump has brought it to the surface, or is this all new Trump?
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 09:17
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Now who's being obtuse, Winemaker? Apparently I have to explain everything to you in long winded paragraphs, or perhaps quote something I read online somewhere. So I'll be clear:I'd understand that until I actually had the green card, it was not "all approved". And if it appeared that it was due to a known delay in the printing and laminating department, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Because, as I pointed out, and you ignored, nobody has actually been given the boot because their card didn't show up on time. Finally, should the delay have been while waiting for my new card after the 10 year renewal, (a)I have the temporary card, and (b)The INS and ICE also have a large file cabinet and know that they would not be able to escort me to the Rio Grande without a whole lot more legal shenanigans.

But of course, as I'm sure you will point out, it wouldn't apply to me, being Canadian/Brit at the time, and having the vaunted White Privilege tatood onto my pale ass.

Now can we move on to something a bit less imaginary to get all shirty about? How about Trump's penchant for red ties?
I love ob our resident Trumpist fighter pilot. Always "twisting and turning". So in case of (b) The INS and ICE also have a large file cabinet and know that they would not be able to escort me to the Rio Grande without a whole lot more legal shenanigans.
Is that policeman who stops you on the road just suppossed to take your word that you actually have a Green card which your dog ate or is he suppossed to take you to INS/ICE so they can check all those large file cabinets they supposedly have?
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 11:12
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
If youíre here on a student visa and you canít attend class, then either get a different visa that allows you to stay or head home. Do distance learning from your home country.
How does one get that different visa and how do those students in, e.g., STEM subjects, do their lab work from home? There's only so much that can be taught online.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Hokulea View Post
How does one get that different visa and how do those students in, e.g., STEM subjects, do their lab work from home? There's only so much that can be taught online.
Im confused. WC says do distance learning but his Dear Leader says get everyone back into school.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 12:37
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You're not the only one who's confused. I think some people just say things without thinking things through and unfortunately, that group includes the president. We have the H1-b visa ban in place now which can only hurt the US economy and now foreign students are being targeted. I might be wrong, but I see no other reason than xenophobia driving these restrictions.
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 14:28
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I believe the Trumpster delegated immigration issues awhile back to his little wormy immigration czar, Stephen Miller. I also believe Stephen is the only WH advisor that the Trumpster listens to these days...
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Old 11th Jul 2020, 15:42
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Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
This online learning is likely to last only a couple of semesters, until a vaccine is found. Even if there were a different visa type (there isn't), it seems unreasonable to kick someone out of the country for a short duration problem not of their making. The students scheduled to come to the US in September can't get visas because our foreign embasies and consulates are closed. So even if the visa was approved, they can't actually get it issued. And if they could, Trump has locked down the border so they can't travel.

Of course, if you just want to see all foreigners out of the country, that's one way to do it. I understand the attitude, but i don't agree with it.
You honestly believe thereís no other visa type besides student? Take a read in the link and dispel yourself of that notion.

https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/visa-directory/

Visas are issued for very specific reasons. If that allowance is no longer available, the visa should no longer be valid.

Why even have visas if the users arenít able to utilize them as issued.


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Old 11th Jul 2020, 16:26
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Screw the sodding visa's, there's much bigger fish to fry this weekend. The biggest one of which, is that Trump has issued his 36th pardon. Of those 36 pardons, 31 of them have been issued to people with whom he has, or had, a personal relationship.

Stone got pardoned for observing Omerta.

And I'll now stand back ready for my jaw dropping to me knees at how the Trumpists will defend that magnificent piece of swamp draining,
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