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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 01:04
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Obgraham, Why not send a tweet to Trump and suggest he throw in the towel. Would make the majority of American voters happy.. 6000 instead of 19000 and many more in OK, give everyone a break...
Well, I contacted the President via the White House email system suggesting exactly that but never got a reply. Typically when you email the White House they thank you for your input. I guess I'm on a list or something. I think the thing that really bothers me about Dear Leader is his lack of a sense of humor and his inability to self deprecate; both those things are indications of the 'best brains'. I don't think I've ever heard him laugh or smile expect when putting others down; this is a very unhappy man/boy and getting out now would probably be a good move. Of course, when you go bankrupt owning a casino.........
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 01:19
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Sorry Obgraham, But you are totally out of your realm of understanding. .
Get back to me when you have some facts. Till then, carry on with your Trumpophobia, perhaps aggravated by the complete and utter unsuitability of your side's alternative.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 03:38
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Get back to me when you have some facts. Till then, carry on with your Trumpophobia, perhaps aggravated by the complete and utter unsuitability of your side's alternative.
I'm a big science fiction reader and my favorite author, by far, is Jack Vance. In a short story 'The New Prime' written in the 1950's (I can't find the exact year) Vance has a tale where the Emperor of the Universe, The Prime, is to be selected. The current Prime devises a series of tests that can be administered through some sort of virtual reality system to evaluate the candidates and the current Prime, of course, introduces a bias as he thinks his attributes are the defining characteristics of a leader. The current Prime scores highest on the series of tests. One of the candidates eventually suffers brain damage during one of the tests where he refuses to name cohorts under torture. When the scores are tabulated the current Prime is the winner by his score. But the administrators of the test reject him as the Prime, as they find that his outlook modifies the attitude of citizens, and not in a good way. The choice for the new Prime is the damaged candidate because his effect on civilization would better humankind.

I quote from the story:

'The chief elder shook his head. "No, You are zealous, dutiful, imaginative, indefatigable - so you have demonstrated, as much by specifying test for these characteristics as by scoring high in these same tests. But, conversely, by the very absence of other tests you demonstrate deficiencies in your character."
"And these are?"
"Sympathy. Compassion. Kindness.: The Chief Elder settled back in his chair. "Strange. Your predecessor two time removed was rich in these qualities. During his term, the great humanitarian systems based on the idea of human brotherhood sprang up across the universe. Another example of resonance - but I digress."


What I'm suggesting with this rather long and poorly written missive is that the country is ******* tired of Trump and his bluster and bullshit and it's time we had someone leading us who actually cared about what happened to Americans; with all his shouting and anger and bluster and vitriol that man is not Trump. He is poison in our society and only brings us lower by his bluster and self centered egotism and endless requirement for adoration and 'love'. He has no honor, no empathy, no concern, no curiosity, nothing at all for the citizens of America except what they can do to massage his ego. He is a despicable excuse for a human being and finally people are understanding the Emperor has no clothes.

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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 03:43
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Not to worry, Winemaker. If your guy prevails, science fiction and fantasy will prevail. Judging by your post, you will be pleased.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 05:32
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Are you really so unable to understand nuance?
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 06:57
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Why not try some reasonable discussion, rather thsn flinging insults?
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 08:25
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Can I recommend reading John Bolton's book? I'm just about half way through it, and have reached a few conclusions. Firstly, Bolton doesn't present himself well, and, based on just what he's written, I'm not at all convinced he's trustworthy. Secondly, if even 10% of what he's written about the dysfunctional way the White House works, and the random, seemingly aimless, way that President Trump operates, is true, then the US has a major problem. It seems clear from the book (what I've read so far) that Bolton was never a true supporter of Trump, it suited his aims to be seen to be so, in order to get a job he wanted.

I can recommend the book, not as a particularly well written, or entertaining, read, but because there has to be a part of it that is fairly representative of the way the USA is governed. There are too many well-referenced quotes for it to be otherwise, as even ignoring the spin Bolton has put on events, the references give a pretty good insight into the level of general dysfunction. The part surrounding the North Korea episode, and Kim Jong Un, alone is worth reading.

FWIW, it seems the full text of this book has been "leaked" all over the place, and is freely available as an ebook or PDF. That suggests to me that Bolton himself may have colluded to leak it, as usually authors are pretty hot on making people pay to read their work. That probably says a lot as to what the real motive is for publishing it now, too.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 09:48
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U.S. Army Soldier Charged with Terrorism Offenses for Planning Deadly Ambush on Service Members in His Unit

Tip of the iceberg?

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-ar...mbers-his-unit
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:02
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It seems to me that the main argument here is who is the least worst option of POTUS..
Neither candidate this time is showing much suitability for the job.
A very poor prospect for the next 4 years, lets hope that we get some better candidates next time
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 15:23
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Why not try some reasonable discussion, rather thsn flinging insults?
Good idea! When are you going to start?
Meanwhile,
Originally posted by obgraham
Get back to me when you have some facts. Till then, carry on with your Trumpophobia, perhaps aggravated by the complete and utter unsuitability of your side's alternative.
OK, here are the facts:
The appointed U.S. attorney in a given district is responsible for delegating cases and supervising assistant attorneys. Assistants are given prosecuting authority consistent with that of the head U.S. attorney and have great discretion in making decisions related to each case. In the criminal context, assistant U.S. attorneys have the authority to file charges, request an indictment, decline prosecution or negotiate plea bargains. Civilly, assistant U.S. attorneys are permitted to initiate complaints, participate in discovery and negotiate a settlement.

https://www.justice.gov/usao/us-attorneys-listing

https://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/meet-director

I have a question for you: How many Assistant US Attorneys are there? Do some research and let me know when you have some facts...


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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 15:44
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Can I recommend reading John Bolton's book? I'm just about half way through it, and have reached a few conclusions. Firstly, Bolton doesn't present himself well, and, based on just what he's written, I'm not at all convinced he's trustworthy. Secondly, if even 10% of what he's written about the dysfunctional way the White House works, and the random, seemingly aimless, way that President Trump operates, is true, then the US has a major problem.
We didnít need another book to tell us how dysfunctional the current White House is, and especially from a war criminal like Bolton. Not only is he not trustworthy, heís literally the embodiment of US foreign policy, brash, violent, unfeeling and conquering. He hasnít met a war he hasnít salivated over, heís pushed for bombing Iran, North Korea, Libya, Cuba, Venezuela, was a key architect in the 2003 WMD campaign of lies, tore up arms control and nuclear treaties. He supported the Vietnam War even though he was too scared to go fight in it himself.

One of the few good things Trump did was get rid of him (of course he was also stupid enough to hire him in the first place). Bolton cried when Trump wouldnít bomb Iran, and then finally got the boot for pushing for war against Venezuela. Trumpís easily the dumbest US President in history, but even I would vote for him if it was an election between him and John Bolton.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 15:51
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Turbine why are you deflecting again? We're not discussing Assistant US Attorneys. They are DOJ regular enployees. All 5300 of them, if you think that relevant.
We are discussing the Presidentially appointed United States Attorney, and as I stated before, and you could not refute, are political positions. The President can fire them when he chooses, and it is not a scandal, despite your efforts to turn it into one. Except when Democrat presidents fire them all, like Clinton and Obama did, in which case it is then apparently an act of virtue.

The left's hypocrisy is at least predictable.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 16:30
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Why are you deflecting again? As far as I see, no one is disputing that the President cant fire the US Attorney. But even Clinton or Obama and Reagan probably would never have fired an attorney known to be investigating the Presidents' friends and not with only 5 months to go. I havent researched this but I bet Clinton and Obama did the firing at the beginning of their terms. Trump fired Preet Bharara and others at the beginning of his term and no one complained.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 17:05
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Rev, you seem to have a short memory. There was all sorts of nattering about Bharara getting canned.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 17:32
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Why not try some reasonable discussion, rather thsn flinging insults?
So obgraham, So when are you going to start? Apparently you don't think what you posted applies to you.
Original post by obgraham
We are discussing the Presidentially appointed United States Attorney, and as I stated before, and you could not refute, are political positions. The President can fire them when he chooses, and it is not a scandal, despite your efforts to turn it into one. Except when Democrat presidents fire them all, like Clinton and Obama did, in which case it is then apparently an act of virtue.The left's hypocrisy is at least predictable.
Your hypocrisy is predictable as well, it is out and out bullshit. I am not going to go back through all your postings to find how this subject started, I never said in any of my postings US Attorneys can't be fired by the President, nor did I ever comment on the Barr - Berman feud and as part of that, never tried to turn it into a scandal as your bullshit implies. I have come to the conclusion that you really really don't want any legitimate discussions or debates. You just want to be a pain in the a$$ antagonist calling one and all that disagree with you a leftist. Too bad...

You can call the position of US Attorney Assistant US Attorney or any other appointee to the US Government "political" or whatever the hell you want that suits your personal pleasure,

5 U.S. Code=large ß 3331.Oath of office
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath:
ďI do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.Ē


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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 18:30
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Can I recommend reading John Bolton's book?
Not seeing the point in wasting the dough. One needs to take a large salt pill with whatever he writes. When Trump hired him, that raised my eyebrows since Bolton was one of those in the "swamp" sorts that Trump had sworn to clean out. I was glad to see Bolton let go - he was playing chickenhawk again - but Trump hiring him was to me a sign that nobody wanted the job... Trump was barrel scraping at that point. (I was disappointed when McMaster was let go). I'll be getting his book this fall.
McMaster was generally considered one of the “adults in the room” around Trump in the first two years of his presidency, senior figures from the military or business generally able to restrain the brash and unconventional real estate developer.

Other such figures long gone from the White House include two other retired generals, former defense secretary James Mattis and ex-chief of staff John Kelly, and former Exxon Mobil chief executive and secretary of state Rex Tillerson.

Mattis published his own memoir, Call Sign Chaos, last year. It only obliquely addressed his service under Trump and his differences with him.
I don't doubt that some of what's in the book does illustrates features of some of the bizarre foreign policy we've seen in the last 3 years. But I doubt that most interested observers will see anything they didn't already know or surmise.
I did not care for Bolton's saber rattling when he was our UN ambassador.
He's not getting my money for his book. I predict he'll make a nice sum, though. Probably demanded a big advance. Suggest you take a look at this piece on him from The Atlantic

You may laugh, however, at the lead in by the writer. Bolton fooled another one.
The national security adviser could be our best hope for protecting the world from Donald Trump’s impulses.Philip Montgomery

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    Old 23rd Jun 2020, 18:40
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    Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
    Not seeing the point in wasting the dough. One needs to take a large salt pill with whatever he writes. When Trump hired him, that raised my eyebrows since Bolton was (like a typical neocon) one of those in the "swamp" sorts that Trump had sworn to clean out. I was glad to see Bolton let go - he was playing chickenhawk again - but Trump hiring him was to me a sign that nobody wanted the job... Trump was barrel scraping at that point.
    I don't doubt that some of what's in the book does illustrates features some of the bizarre foreign policy we've seen in the last 3 years. But I doubt that most interested observers will see anything they didn't already know or surmise.
    I did not care for Bolton's saber rattling when he was our UN ambassador.
    He's not getting my money for his book. I predict he'll make a nice sum, though. Probably demanded a big advance.
    The book is freely available all over the web as either a PDF or EPUB download, which tells me that Bolton is more interested in getting his stories out there quickly, than in selling books to make money. I'm not convinced that many will read to the end, either, as the damned thing is 579 pages long! I doubt Trump will read it, by all accounts his attention span is somewhere around that of a goldfish. Anything longer than a tweet is probably more than he can cope with.

    The first part of the book covers how Bolton came to get the job, and it's damned clear that he really wanted the Secretary of State job. Imagine what might have happened had Trump been daft enough to give it to him! His character shines through clearly enough. For example, his true colours show very clearly whenever he refers to Mattis, someone he clearly disliked solely for his political views. The same goes for a few others, but it's the elements of the tales that relate to the dysfunctional way the White House was run that I found the most interesting. These are far from being the main points that Bolton's trying to get across, it's pretty clear that the book is really just an ego trip, with him making out that he's always right about things.
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    Old 23rd Jun 2020, 18:49
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    Note the bollockless usual suspects won't comment
    Is that your version of willy-waving?
    Since I don't have or read Twitter, I for one have no comments.

    Besides, as you all know, we get all --- 100% --- of our news from Fox News. Apparently.
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    Old 23rd Jun 2020, 18:55
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    Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
    His character shines through clearly enough. For example, his true colours show very clearly whenever he refers to Mattis, someone he clearly disliked solely for his political views.
    I have been exposed to sufficient of Bolton's political rhetoric for the last 20 years that he doesn't get any more of my time. Go back to around 2006 and his Saber rattling and bluster regarding Iran. I think Trump hired him so that Bolton would look like "bad cop" and leave Trump looking like "good cop."

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    Old 23rd Jun 2020, 18:57
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    Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
    I have been exposed to sufficient of Bolton political rhetoric for the last 20 years that he doesn't get anymore of my time.
    I can fully understand that. The bloke really comes across as an obnoxious shit, by his own hand.

    If anyone has a few hours to spare, and can cope with Bolton's take on things, then the book is freely available here:

    PDF: https://b-ok.cc/book/5577843/bb0bc6

    EPUB: https://b-ok.cc/book/5578138/dd5ae4
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