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Old 19th Jun 2020, 23:00
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Are you asserting a taser canít be lethal? Yes or no. Think before you reply as I already know the answer.

Are you asserting a taser only has one shot? I know the answer to that as well.
Tasers CAN be lethal under certain circumstances and depending on the victims health and other underlying issues.
SOME tasers have only one shot. Seems this one had two. So what? Did Rayshard Brooks deserve to die for that? Let me hear your answer to that. Did the man in the video I posted deserve to die? Always surprised me how conservatives are quite prepared to kill people (death penalty, police shootings, etc) while arguing they are "pro life" with regards to abortion.

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Old 19th Jun 2020, 23:09
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If I still have to explain all this to you, then I'm afraid you havent understood what this movement is all about and if you're not part of the solution then you are probably part of the problem
Please do not bother Teach. I've seen and heard it all before and clearly, you do not know me.

I also see a lot of blaming everyone else during this particular episode and historical episodes. What I rarely hear is of is determination to fix the
problems within the communities that cannot all be blamed on other colours.
Education has to be provided equally but there is an equal responsibility of parents and students to take learning seriously, as tough as that might be.
Core racism will never be eradicated by any legislation, by any statue removals or by marches.
A decent education leading to a decent job candidate, leading to an entry level job and then working at it hard to gain some success is likely the main way to chip away at it.
Or you can be a wannabee gangsta, multiple baby daddy with a speciality in drive-by attempts at homicide.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 23:21
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Please do not bother Teach. I've seen and heard it all before and clearly, you do not know me.

I also see a lot of blaming everyone else during this particular episode and historical episodes. What I rarely hear is of is determination to fix the
problems within the communities that cannot all be blamed on other colours.
Education has to be provided equally but there is an equal responsibility of parents and students to take learning seriously, as tough as that might be.
Core racism will never be eradicated by any legislation, by any statue removals or by marches.
A decent education leading to a decent job candidate, leading to an entry level job and then working at it hard to gain some success is likely the main way to chip away at it.
Or you can be a wannabee gangsta, multiple baby daddy with a speciality in drive-by attempts at homicide.
Thanks for showing your level of enlightenment o wise one who needs no education. You also don't know me and I hope you clearly understand how Redlining can cause ALL the ills you just mentioned. Then tell me how its "their" fault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 23:29
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Originally Posted by Revnetwork View Post
Tasers CAN be lethal under certain circumstances and depending on the victims health.

SOME tasers have only one shot. Seems this one had two.
So despite your simple minded statement that Brooks was asleep, we agree now he was in control of a weapon that has the potential to be lethal. Itís not in question that he fired it once at the officer.


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Old 19th Jun 2020, 23:40
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Please do not bother Teach. I've seen and heard it all before and clearly, you do not know me.

I also see a lot of blaming everyone else during this particular episode and historical episodes. What I rarely hear is of is determination to fix the
problems within the communities that cannot all be blamed on other colours.
Education has to be provided equally but there is an equal responsibility of parents and students to take learning seriously, as tough as that might be.
Core racism will never be eradicated by any legislation, by any statue removals or by marches.
A decent education leading to a decent job candidate, leading to an entry level job and then working at it hard to gain some success is likely the main way to chip away at it.
Or you can be a wannabee gangsta, multiple baby daddy with a speciality in drive-by attempts at homicide.
Reasonable post and an accurate pathway out of the cycle. One has to want out of the cycle to begin with.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 23:46
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I agree it's a factor but not the one and only.
I'm just saying that it is not all as one sided as it is often portrayed.
Both sides have to work at it if they want to remove the concept of two sides and get some real United going in the States.
Now, ask me if I think we will see some really positive progress in race relations in the US before I kick a bucket.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 23:53
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
So despite your simple minded statement that Brooks was asleep, we agree now he was in control of a weapon that has the potential to be lethal. It’s not in question that he fired it once at the officer.
You still havent answered my question. Did he deserve to die? And yes. Police were called because he was asleep. I'll ignore your petty insult I hope you calculated the distance between Brooks and the police officer and the range of this particular taser model.
I still await the answer to my question otherwise all this is a waste of my time.

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Old 20th Jun 2020, 00:41
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Originally Posted by Revnetwork View Post
You still havent answered my question. Did he deserve to die? And yes. Police were called because he was asleep. I'll ignore your petty insult I hope you calculated the distance between Brooks and the police officer and the range of this particular taser model.
I still await the answer to my question otherwise all this is a waste of my time.
It’s not an insult. You’d know if it was. Simply educating you that there’s more elements to consider than whether he was asleep in his car. Now with your admission regarding his possession and employment of a potentially deadly weapon, you can no longer hide behind your foolhardy initial statement of just sleeping.

Did he deserve to die? No. He had a couple of paths to choose from, he choose the wrong one. Complied, lawyered up and taken his chances with a jury, he’d still be alive.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 01:31
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Did he deserve to die? No. He had a couple of paths to choose from, he choose the wrong one. Complied, lawyered up and taken his chances with a jury, he’d still be alive.
I don't get how a jury gets into a DUI, or resisting arrest charge. i would suspect that the judge and lawyers would suffice.

Of course the different layers of unlawful death charges against the cop where intent is part of it, may require a jury
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 01:51
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Itís not an insult. Youíd know if it was. Simply educating you that thereís more elements to consider than whether he was asleep in his car. Now with your admission regarding his possession and employment of a potentially deadly weapon, you can no longer hide behind your foolhardy initial statement of just sleeping.

Did he deserve to die? No. He had a couple of paths to choose from, he choose the wrong one. Complied, lawyered up and taken his chances with a jury, heíd still be alive.
Thanks for finally giving me an answer. I can see both you and Loma already hanging Brooks for DUI when video evidence shows that even while under the influence (allegedly) he, 1) Was able to overpower two relately young officers and, 2) beat both in a footrace. Seems to me there's no evidence of a DUI anywhere and I stick by my initial point that his main and only offense so far as we know is sleeping in a Wendys drive thru which cost him his life. Did he deserve to die? No. The police officer ALSO had a couple of paths and he chose the wrong one.
In some other places, police would offer to drive the man home and that would be the end of that. But he was black so we know how that ended. Goodnight.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 01:54
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Now, ask me if I think we will see some really positive progress in race relations in the US before I kick a bucket.
Okay, I'm asking. What do you think?
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 02:39
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With respect to the Brooks shooting, there is body cam vision (Officer Rolfe) of a breathalyser reading of .108. I assume it's a metric reading. Where I live I'd be detained with that reading and carted off for further analysis.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 03:29
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Well Rev, despite your claim that this guy died because he was "asleep in a Wendys drive thru", the video shows quite a different scenario, but you choose to ignore it. Yes, cops were called, and decided he was "driving drunk in a Wendys drive-thru." There seems no debate about that. The cops then engaged in a long peaceable discussion about that offense.

When they decided "yes, we need to take you in", he suddenly went balistic, no doubt because, no longer asleep, he realized he had outstanding offenses and would be sent back to the clink. So he made the mistake of grabbing the officer's weapon, in this case the Taser. That's what started the chain of events that left him dead.

Should the cops have shot him? Not in my opinion. Was it murder? Good luck getting that conviction -- Aint gonna happen.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 03:38
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Jesus. From the New York Times..... The fix is in. This country is no longer a functioning democracy, it's a rigged game. His replacement will be Jay Clayton — who previously represented Deutsche Bank, one of President Donald Trump’s most significant business creditors, from allegations they facilitated Russian money laundering.

The Justice Department abruptly announced on Friday that it had replaced the United States attorney in Manhattan, Geoffrey S. Berman, the powerful federal prosecutor whose office sent President Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, to prison and who has been investigating Mr. Trump’s current personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani.

The announcement that Mr. Berman would be replaced was made with no notice by Attorney General William P. Barr, who said the president intended to nominate as Mr. Berman’s successor Jay Clayton, current chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Mr. Berman has taken an aggressive approach in a number of cases that have vexed the Trump administration, from the prosecution and guilty pleas obtained from Mr. Cohen to a broader investigation, growing out of that inquiry, which focused on Mr. Trump’s private company and others close to him.
Over the last year, Mr. Berman’s office brought indictments against two close associates of the president’s current lawyer, Mr. Giuliani, and began an investigation into Mr. Giuliani himself, focusing on whether his efforts to dig up dirt in Ukraine on the president’s political rivals violated laws on lobbying for foreign entities.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 04:04
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I think no.
We will see lawmakers in some jurisdictions making some watered down corrective legislation that may or may not be good for more than wallpaper..
Police will tend to be on cautious best behavior in some places, for awhile.
There will be an inundation of right sounding words spouting back and forth but doing little more than evaporate into the atmosphere.
Many people will look more closely at their own behavior with regards to race in their immediate societies.
Many people will think they are now entitled to allowances, breaks, paybacks due to historical prejudices and a continuing disparity in social success rates.
Many people born to racist families, in entrenched racist communities, parishes, counties, states, will remain as racist as their prior generations.

The problem is too deeply ingrained in societies. Both sides have to prove they can be better in real and continued life interactions. If at all possible, this would take years and years.
So, no. Certainly not in the US under current whacko management and the same for the rest of the world.
No kumbaya. It's too deep a cancer and too many people remain too stupid to change.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 04:44
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Many people born to racist families, in entrenched racist communities, parishes, counties, states, will remain as racist as their prior generations.
Add Provinces as well.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 04:57
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Well, this is interesting.......

The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York denied an announcement from Bill Barr’s Department of Justice that he was stepping down.

“I learned in a press release from the Attorney General tonight that I was ‘stepping down’ as United States Attorney. I have not resigned, and have no intention of resigning , my position, to which I was appointed by the Judges of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York,” Geoffrey Berman said in a statement.

“I will step down when a presidentially appointed nominee is confirmed by the Senate.
Until then, our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption,”
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 05:45
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SDNY. A big trump nemesis.
How corrupt can things get in the WH and DOJ?
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 07:27
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Australian examples:
George Floyd - AFP procedures call for suspects to be sat up immediately after handcuffing to prevent death / further injury. Deaths from a knee on the neck have happened here and procedures were changed some years ago.
Rayshard Brooks - an AFP relative told me they would not have been happy but would most likely have let him run & either waited by the car or have a team arrest him at home the next day.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 08:54
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Well Rev, despite your claim that this guy died because he was "asleep in a Wendys drive thru", the video shows quite a different scenario, but you choose to ignore it. Yes, cops were called, and decided he was "driving drunk in a Wendys drive-thru." There seems no debate about that. The cops then engaged in a long peaceable discussion about that offense.

When they decided "yes, we need to take you in", he suddenly went balistic, no doubt because, no longer asleep, he realized he had outstanding offenses and would be sent back to the clink. So he made the mistake of grabbing the officer's weapon, in this case the Taser. That's what started the chain of events that left him dead.

Should the cops have shot him? Not in my opinion. Was it murder? Good luck getting that conviction -- Aint gonna happen.
I think the difference is that if he were in any other country heíd be alive now. But heís not.
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