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Old 29th Sep 2020, 18:42
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Agreed, you shouldn't have. And now we're so far off topic....
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I didn’t, PDR did.

Agreed, waaay off topic.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 21:53
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Yes, we know Biden will be replaced by Harris at some point as is part of the master plan, but it shouldve been for tonight's debate too! Popcorn ready...
Would it be unduly simplistic to suppose that given the current choice is between the lesser of two perceived evils, something more positive might be achieved by adopting Harris as the Democrat nominee, or is this not now politically possible? If Biden is to be replaced after a "decent interval", why not have Harris now and avoid much of the negativity which attends Biden's political and personal character?

As an aside and a consideration irrelevant from a US point of view, Harris would be welcomed by those tired of the distortions of the Irish-American community and of which Biden seems so proud.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 21:55
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Prepping for the debate. (2100 ET, 1800 PT, 0200 Z), watching "The Magnificent Seven", an old fashioned story, a tale of good and bad, right and wrong, of reluctant heroes. Those types of films (fiction and the other) always seem to have some uplifting effect.

Wondering where have all the heroes (the other) gone.

Don't know how much debate I can take.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 22:41
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Prepping for the debate. (2100 ET, 1800 PT, 0200 Z).....
2100ET is 0100Z

The debate is at 0200 British Summer Time

(Edit.. The debate is at 2100 EDT which is 0200 BST. 2100 EST would be 0200Z)

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Old 29th Sep 2020, 22:58
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Prepping for the debate. (2100 ET, 1800 PT, 0200 Z), watching "The Magnificent Seven", an old fashioned story, a tale of good and bad, right and wrong, of reluctant heroes. Those types of films (fiction and the other) always seem to have some uplifting effect.

Wondering where have all the heroes (the other) gone.

Don't know how much debate I can take.
As it’s an election in another nation, any amount of debate from collegial to bare knuckles shouldn’t press on you to the point of having to meter it. Turn the telly off and read a good book, spend time with the spouse if you have one, take a walk....
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
Would it be unduly simplistic to suppose that given the current choice is between the lesser of two perceived evils, something more positive might be achieved by adopting Harris as the Democrat nominee, or is this not now politically possible? If Biden is to be replaced after a "decent interval", why not have Harris now and avoid much of the negativity which attends Biden's political and personal character?

As an aside and a consideration irrelevant from a US point of view, Harris would be welcomed by those tired of the distortions of the Irish-American community and of which Biden seems so proud.
Probably not politically possible for Biden to step away from the top spot. Harris would likely be viewed as too left-leaning and labeled "radical" by the MAGATS. Bernie Bros would be upset that their candidate got shafted.

And by "decent interval", polite Democrats mean Biden would serve one term, then step aside leaving Harris as the heir apparent for the 2024 campaign.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 00:42
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Interesting poll about the upcoming debate, shows almost everyone has made their mind up by now on who to vote for, very few undecideds left, and most people are just watching for entertainment. Both camps have already decided who won and who proved themselves to be a moron.

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Old 30th Sep 2020, 02:53
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Just tuned in and within 2 minutes, the Orange Panda had behaved in such an obnoxious manner that I had to turn it off. The excerpts will be on the news later, if I can be bothered.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 03:40
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Some hot off the press reviewed for what was just witnessed:

"That was the worst debate I have ever seen. It wasn't even a debate. It was a disgrace, a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a trainwreck". CNN

"That was a sh*tshow" CNN

"That was the worst presidential debate I have ever seen in my life." ABC

"a total mess" ABC

"I think we just need to pause for a moment and say, that was crazy. What was that?" ABC

"You can't pretend that this was a normal debate, a normal example of American democracy at work." ABC
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 03:54
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Why would any sane person run for political office in this day and age?

Who does that leave?

Do we have room for well meaning, hopeful and realistic appraisal of facts, or is it just internet sniping rules?

"Well I heard many people said that, plenty of people have said..." on the internet that...

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Old 30th Sep 2020, 04:07
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At one point the President was simply asked to denounce the Proud Boys, designated as an "Extremist White Nationalist" group by the FBI. The Proud Boys have a long record of race and gender based violence, threats and rioting.

He refused to do so, telling them to "stand back and stand by". Members of that group on social media after the debate echoed the President's comments, some even claiming it was a "call to action" by the President. He also 'urged' his supporters to go into polling places and 'watch" the counting.

Here's some quotes by the group's founder on how they see violent action:

Founded in 2016 in the shadow of the election that saw Donald Trump becoming US President, The Proud Boys is an ultra-right men's group which advocates extreme violence against any perceived enemies.
"We will kill you - that's The Proud Boys in a nut shell. We will kill you," Mr McInnes said in one video. "We look nice, we seem soft, we have 'boys' in the name, but we will assassinate you." In multiple other videos for his internet series Get Off My Lawn, Mr McInnes has given followers instructions to attack left-wing opponents and if approached by anyone on the street who seemed to be a progressive, to "trust your instincts" and "choke him". "Beating the sh*t out of these people, I think it's our job to do it," he said in one video. In another he declared: "Fighting solves everything. We need more violence from the Trump people, Trump supporters. Choke a mother f***er. Choke a b**ch. Choke a tranny. Get your fingers around the windpipe."
Other violent commentary has referred to guns, with calls for members to obtain firearms and "get ready to blow someone's f***ing head off".
All Trump had to do was say, "I condemn them", but he didn't....
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 04:41
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Exactly. Trump did not answer direct questions.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 07:30
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So this is what the US has descended to, an arena for two old farts to slagg it out. Sad.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 07:38
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IMO Biden exceeded expectations. Given the way the Republicans and Trump were describing him you would’ve thought a drooling fool in a wheelchair was going to be bought out who wouldn’t remember his name, and would be unable to speak or move. Republicans painted Biden as having full blown dementia and senility.

Now we saw a Joe Biden who, whilst noticeably slower than previous years and he did stumble over a few words occasionally, was alert, coherent, in control, and gave actual answers to questions. He gave actual policy positions and actions he would undertake as President. When it came to issues that personally effected him he showed some passion. He spoke directly to the audience and told them to vote.

Trump, whinged little a little b**ch, refused to answer questions, refused to acknowledge Covid or the economy or climate change, ranted, rambled, brought conspiracy theories, interrupted like a 5 year old, attacked Biden’s sons, refused to condemn white supremacists, cried about how the media treats him and claimed the election will be rigged, already trying to save face.

Please remind me again Republicans, which candidate has the cognitive problem....?

They painted the debate as the turning point where Trump would expose Biden as the “senile old fool” he is, and begin the process of turning the tide. Well that just failed miserably. Where to for Trump from here?
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 07:50
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Trump for the dump.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 08:26
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The dabate was a chaotic desaster!! As an American citizen I have registered to vote.....guess who I'm NOT voting for.

Trump acted so childish he's an embarrasment.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 09:45
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Originally Posted by fltlt View Post
Not the parties per se, but the king/queen makers within each.

However, we the people do hold the collective power to change it, just lack the will.

Apathy perhaps.
More like the audience at a magic show; 'Pick a card, any card' and you just know it will be the one the magician wants you to pick.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 10:13
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Well I did not watch the full debate as I have better things to do, as I have no control, or skin in the game as to who the US electorate vote to become President. However as I occupy the same Blue Planet, I have a passing interest, as does everyone else with a reasonable amount of intelligence, and the only thing I can say is get Trump out of the Whitehouse , and away from that "Button" please. That was one of the worst bits of televised debate i have ever seen, it was like something you see in Kindergarten with corresponding name calling. Can the US please grow up and act your age as a nation, and not your shoe size, as that was embarrassing. As a UK citizen we are also blessed with an idiot for a PM currently, but I believe even he would not drop to that level of debate, though some in the right wing of his party would love it.

Please do the right thing in November for all our sakes.

Cheers
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 11:27
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Assuming the law is similar in the US to here, then tax avoidance is lawful, tax evasion is not. As I understand it, from what's been reported, Trump has avoided paying tax, by lawful means, so doesn't seem to have done anything unlawful.
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Also based on reports I have read, he has hugely overvalued or undervalued different properties (sometimes the same property ), depending whether he wanted a bank-loan ( over ) or paying taxes (under ). I would expect that deliberately undervaluing a property for tax-purposes counts as tax-evasion or fraud, especially if you are seen as a property expert. Given Trump's character, I would expect there to be huge rafts of criminality like hiding assets from bankruptcy proceedings, false bankruptcy, tenant harassment, tax-evasion, misusing campaign contributions ( every day of the week ) and on and on.

They will really need to do a very thorough audit on all White House property when he leaves, and monitor E-Bay as a back-up.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 11:30
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Went off pretty much as I expected.... maybe somewhat worse. If you closed your eyes you'd think a rude and belligerent 5 year old was standing on the right of the stage trying to get out coherent thoughts for the adults and failing and again and again.

" President Donald Trump told the Proud boys, a far-right men’s organization with a history of instigating violence, to “stand back and stand by,” (stand by for what exactly? what is it they do when not on stand by?) after being asked to condemn white supremacists and militia groups during the first presidential debate Tuesday night.Minutes later, he said he was “urging my people” who are “poll watchers” to go to voting locations across the country — to do what, (apparently not to vote - are they all voters by mail) he wouldn’t exactly say (so just kind of an ominous threat to voters)— as he baselessly claimed the election is rife with “fraud.”

"In a recent campaign ad, the president's son, Donald Trump Jr. called for an “army” (armed?) of “able-bodied” (fighting fit?) men and women to watch the polls (what are amateur poll watchers watching for?) on Election Day: “We need every able-bodied man and woman to join [the] Army for Trump’s election security operation, ( ??? there are Federal and State entities charged with federal election integrity and security, they've been doing it for years)" he said. “We need you to help us watch them.”" (intimidating poll place mobs to watch what?)

Getting very close to subversive and perhaps treasonous activity in the encouragement of the Dumb Boys and the like and possible interference with the voting process at the polls..
Loony Tunes, yet dangerous.



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