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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:16
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For the hard of thinking.


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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:17
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
You can normally spot a low level racist when they start a statement with "I'm not racist, but......"
Or people talking about "white lives matter" in the current context.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:24
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And if that was all that matters I don't think 99.9% of the population would disagree. Its rather a lot of people suspect that the present furore is being whipped up and used by the usual suspects for the same old reasons - just another part of the oppressed masses being used as a mask.

https://uk.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund

Black Lives Matter UK (BLMUK) is a coalition of black activists and organisers across the UK. We’ve been organising since 2016 for justice in our communities.

We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.......

The UK Taxpayer was paying for the Reparations of UK slave owners up until 2015, as reported by the Bank of England. If it was possible for Reparations to be given to slave owners and their families, including David Cameron’s, then the reparations of black people dealing with generational trauma and institutional racism is wholly possible. The redistribution of wealth is a key factor of allyship in 2020.......


How we’ll spend the funds!

.......Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police.........
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:32
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Originally Posted by vlieger View Post
Or people talking about "white lives matter" in the current context.
I believe that despite what you think, we are both on the same page. I have absolutely no truck with one section of society being treated differently from another, all people should be treated equally, most especially where public employees (the police in particular) are concerned. What happens in the USA, seemingly on a routine basis if we are to believe the media, is totally unacceptable anywhere, but especially in a nation that likes to refer to itself as the "land of the free" and a democracy.

That banner was likely paid for a a person, or persons who have become fed up with the current campaign. Some campaigns become irritating to some people, I personally became fed up with the "Me Too" campaign. I suspect that quite a few people have become irritated by the tenor of the BLM campaign on this side of the Atlantic as to them it may be promoting the idea that one life is more valuable than another. That was never the intention at the outset, but the more violence and petty vandalism that is perceived to be caused by it's proponents, I suggest the more irritated certain sections of populations may become.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:34
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Genuinely struggling to keep up with what is deemed Politically Correct these days !
From what I understand, the term "coloured" which was the accepted correct term, is now no longer acceptable.
Is this correct ?
People of African descent, or those with very dark skin, are now to be referred to as "black" I am given to understand !
Are their fixed terms for Asian or Arabic people or are they simply referred to as that, Asian or Arabic.
This is a genuine question and should be read as such !
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Saintsman View Post
The uproar about this banner is because only white people are racist...
Assuming the comment wasn't tongue in cheek (but probably was!).
I don't know if you've ever lived in Africa but some black people are racist towards whites. I've experienced it from having a truck-load of Botswana Defence Force soldiers hurling insults at me to Post Office staff making transactions difficult for no reason whatsoever or pulling the counter blinds down on me. A white journalist and myself were refused service at a bar and I've been ignored by retail staff. There's more but I can't be bothered to think back.
The difference with me is that I've got big enough bolleaux to not let it bother me. The rest of the nationals were generally good-natured enough to make up for the likes of them.
If you really want to see racism in action, look at inter-tribal conflicts.

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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:37
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Both slogans are equally meaningless, but if you believe in freedom of speech, both must be acceptable.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:38
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ORAC makes a very good point. It isn't the core message about racial equality that is causing some, me included, to be angered by much of the action being taken in the UK, it's that the core principle has been hijacked by the usual malcontents who have no interest in democracy or the rule of law.

It's pretty clear that BLMUK is a political lobby group, with only a peripheral interest in resolving the real problems of racism within the UK. They are harnessing the dim-witted PC fraternity as their foot soldiers, and I wouldn't mind betting that most of those out protesting here haven't a clue as to the real objectives of this organisation. For what is essentially a political pressure group, using the black racism (but refusing to accept any other form of racism) tag is pretty clever. It pretty much avoids public criticism, as it seems everyone now has to avoid being in any way critical of any black person.

It's fine to be critical of white, brown, yellow, people, but we dare not be critical of black people. This is a nonsense, as is the whole concept of race, when it comes right down to it. All people are equal, and we have a wonderful variety of personal characteristics that makes each of us unique. To try to arbitrarily divide us up into groups, based solely on appearance, seems just a bit crazy.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 11:01
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post


Tell you what......those pancakes are seriously unhealthy !! Every food content label on the packet is red. At least the Yorkshire puddings' labels are green and amber.

I love the way there are two or three blueberries photographed next to the huge stack of pancakes, as if to say "these are healthy, honest - see; there is some real fruit in the picture". Brilliant !
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 11:09
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They lost my vote when they started desecrationg the war memorial that a plethora of races and creeds died for, and then the looting.... and not just of white owned stores, but often owned by people of their own race... that isn't wanting social justice for all, that's wanting what I haven't got off my arse to earn the money to buy.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 11:14
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
Genuinely struggling to keep up with what is deemed Politically Correct these days !
From what I understand, the term "coloured" which was the accepted correct term, is now no longer acceptable.
Is this correct ?
People of African descent, or those with very dark skin, are now to be referred to as "black" I am given to understand !
Are their fixed terms for Asian or Arabic people or are they simply referred to as that, Asian or Arabic.
This is a genuine question and should be read as such !
El Grifo
"Coloured" wasn't acceptable in UK for a long time, "black" was fine. However a friend was recently chastised at work - she suggested somebody she knows from another team would be ideal do a parcel of work and when asked to describe to whom she was referring, said "she's about thirty, black..." "You mustn't call her black, she's a person of colour!". My friend saw the other girl* later and asked her whether she considered herself to be black or a person of colour. Her laughing reply was something like "person of colour? I'm black! It's a load of rubbish all this person of colour nonsense..."

But I guess "Persons of Colour Lives Matter" isn't such a snappy slogan as "Black Lives Matter".

Am I a person not of colour?

*I got a bollocking from my lefty sister to referring to my various female friends who are all 45-65 years old as "the girls". "How dare you ! They are women!" So I asked them; they all prefer to be referred to as girls, just as they referred to the blokes as "the boys".
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 11:18
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
Tell you what......those pancakes are seriously unhealthy !! Every food content label on the packet is red. At least the Yorkshire puddings' labels are green and amber.

I love the way there are two or three blueberries photographed next to the huge stack of pancakes, as if to say "these are healthy, honest - see; there is some real fruit in the picture". Brilliant !
I like the

"since 1899"
and "Original Pancake and waffle mix"...

Imagine in 1889 opening up your larder and getting out your

Enriched bleached flour (bleached wheat flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), sugar, leavening (sodium bicarbonate, sodium aluminum phosphate, monocalcium phosphate), salt, calcium carbonate.

Ohh and the no artificial colouring or preservatives...

Maybe not BUT the thiamin mononitrate is a synthetic stable nitrate salt form of vitamin B1
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 11:36
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Did someone get the reg of the Burnley plane? It was a sad day for those seeking an inclusive society and a sad day for aviation when a towing company agrees to this. Sorry if I'm on the wrong thread. Those who claim that "white lives matter" is no different from "black lives matter" entirely miss the context. Black lives matter is a slogan to emphasise that they matter TOO in a western society which is racist in many ways, educational, judicial, economical, social. By implication White Live Matter push back against the justified demand for equality by minority communities. I think it is sickening and the banner towing company were completely mistaken by being willing to fly it.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 11:39
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Originally Posted by vanHorck View Post
Did someone get the reg of the Burnley plane? It was a sad day for those seeking an inclusive society and a sad day for aviation when a towing company agrees to this. Sorry if I'm on the wrong thread.

They are a company that was hired to do this and they also towed a Black Lives matter banner a few days earlier, sorry but as I said if you allow one you must allow the other, otherwise you leaving yourselves open to being racist. All lives matter would have been better for both events.. You cannot have an inclusive society by preventing one part of it being heard as well.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
They are a company that was hired to do this and they also towed a Black Lives matter banner a few days earlier, sorry but as I said if you allow one you must allow the other, otherwise you leaving yourselves open to being racist. All lives matter would have been better for both events.. You cannot have an inclusive society by preventing one part of it being heard as well.
I beg to disagree as per my edited post. I think it was sickening and clearly looking at the news many think so, for the reasons listed in my post.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 11:45
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Originally Posted by vanHorck View Post
Did someone get the reg of the Burnley plane? It was a sad day for those seeking an inclusive society and a sad day for aviation when a towing company agrees to this. Sorry if I'm on the wrong thread.
I suspect plenty of people have identified it from FR24, probably even found out who the owner and / or pilot was. Fully expect it to be vandalised before too long unless it's locked away in a secure hangar, and probably the pilot's / owner's daubed with slogans. I really do hope I'm wrong because two wrongs don't make a right.

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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 11:53
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And NO artificial colouring.
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
Genuinely struggling to keep up with what is deemed Politically Correct these days !
From what I understand, the term "coloured" which was the accepted correct term, is now no longer acceptable.
Is this correct ?
People of African descent, or those with very dark skin, are now to be referred to as "black" I am given to understand !
Are their fixed terms for Asian or Arabic people or are they simply referred to as that, Asian or Arabic.
This is a genuine question and should be read as such !
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You are looking for an answer on jet Blast? Really? Perhaps you’ll get lucky.

Asking what is politically correct is probably not a good starting point. It sounds trivializing right off. My dad finds it very hard to describe people as black, given that it was, de facto, a derogatory description. Times change. And some things change for the better.

wobtb - great cartoon. Puts this issue well.

White lives matter is reactionary. Of course white lives matter. And all lives matter. But this issue is a world in which black lives are seen as having less value. To react against the simple message black lives matter is to miss the point entirely.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 12:02
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Originally Posted by vanHorck View Post
I beg to disagree as per my edited post. I think it was sickening and clearly looking at the news many think so, for the reasons listed in my post.
So you don't think white lives matter just as much as black lives or asian lives?

You know one of the few programmes that tried to tackle the futility of it all was Star Trek (the original series), in case you do not know, there were two races on a planet and one was hunting the other as they were "Different" eventually two protaganists are brought on board to be taken back to their planet to find it destroyed by centuries of hate and racism.. they beam the two of them down to the deserted planet and they carry on their futile quest against each other....... they handled the black white issue superbly and showed it for what it is, pathetic

the difference, ones face was black on the left, the other white..



https://aurorasginjoint.com/2016/07/...t-battlefield/

Incidentally Start Trek the original was a first in many ways, Only a year after the Supreme Court declared interracial marriage legal, Capt. James T. Kirk and Lt. Nyota Uhura kissed each other on "Star Trek..


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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 12:04
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Originally Posted by vanHorck View Post
I beg to disagree as per my edited post. I think it was sickening and clearly looking at the news many think so, for the reasons listed in my post.

Some questions, in the context of the situation regarding racism within the UK:

If I choose to wear a "black lives matter" tee shirt, am I being racist and offensive?

If I choose to wear a "brown lives matter" tee shirt, am I being racist and offensive?

If I choose to wear a "yellow lives matter" tee shirt, am I being racist and offensive?

If I choose to wear a "white lives matter" tee shirt, am I being racist and offensive?

If I choose to wear a "all lives matter" tee shirt, am I being racist and offensive?

If the answer to any of these questions is "yes", then what is the precise logic that makes one of these slogans any more, or less, acceptable than any other?
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