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Old 16th Jun 2020, 12:12
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All future marches now banned.

https://order-order.com/2020/06/16/m...-ban-protests/

MPs Legislate to Ban Protests


Lastnight not a single MP opposed new legislation banning gatherings of more than six people, with all rule breakers now liable to be fined. Labour MPs who have spent the last fortnight encouraging mass attendance of Black Lives Matter protests didn’t turn up to voice their opposition, let alone vote against the statutory instrument (SI).......

Protests were already illegal, with last night’s SI reforming the original lockdown legislation to ban gatherings of six-or-more, meaning Labour MPs did have the option to avoid hypocrisy by voting to allow the right to protest. Civil liberty activists may find small crumbs of comfort from a sunset clause within the legislation that means the law will expire by September 26, 2020.

Many will be questioning whether the clampdown on civil liberties is too little, too late, given we’ve already seen a month of mass gatherings at beaches, VE-Day parties and Black Lives Matter rallies.....

https://twitter.com/houseofcommons/s...010309633?s=21

Good luck policing that one. Surely any protesters could simply state that they turned up with 5 of their mates but by amazing coincidence so did a load of other people?
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 12:38
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Never fear, a replacement for the Coulson statue has been delivered.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...th/ar-BB15ylzv



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Old 16th Jun 2020, 14:42
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Groan when will it stop..........

Should we now arrest every ethnic minority, black, brown or yellow that has turned out to watch a firework display come bonfire on November the 5th as racists for celebrating the burning of a white guy on the stake........ the whole thing is just getting ludicrous.

All this ripping down statues, tearing down history reminds me of Germany in the 1930’s...... and we know where that got us all, will we never learn?
Brighten up Nutty - people are having a good time!
Nothing like a bit of rioting when you’ve been stuck inside for months - and the Nazi mob has got involved too - in the US as well (see Albuquerque) so there is something for everyone.
On a serious note, this was all waiting for a suitable trigger, to happen. Vladimir (who invented political correctness a while back) is rubbing his hands at how well it is all going - all the planning has been worth it. And Trump has been a huge success too - even pulling the troops from Germany - a great week!
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 14:50
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Panorama on the BBC had a screenshot of the four officers involved in the murder of George Floyd, together with some eye witness accounts of what happened. Interesting that the police officers involved seem come from a mix of racial origins, based on this photo (Chauvin is on the left):


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Old 16th Jun 2020, 15:44
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Equal quick justice for equal for even more severe offences. Will the police act I wonder?

https://order-order.com/2020/06/16/m...sting-vandals/

Conservative MPs Calling for “Swift Justice” Against Protesting Vandals.


Grumblings from the Tory backbenches are growing over the seemingly slow response to violent protesters seen over the past fortnight. Andrew Bridgen this afternoon tweeted he is looking forward to the same swift justicebeing applied to all those caught on camera vandalising statues that was seen with Andrew Banks, who urinated next to the memorial to PC Keith Palmer in Westminster. Other backbenchers tell Guido there cannot be an impression of unequal justice…



Ipswich MP Tom Hunt agrees, telling Guido that he praises the “swift” action against the man “urinated on the memorial to dedicated to PC Keith Palmer”. He went on to tell Guido it is “important that such swift action is taken against all those who have desecrated our war memorials and statues”. Mark Francois has gone one step further, telling Guido:

We only enjoy a right of democratic protest in this country because people fought and in many cases died, to defend it. Anyone who desecrates a war memorial dishonours all those people fought for, so not only should we lock them up – we should melt down the key.”

Video evidence of those climbing on the cenotaph in an attempt to burn the Union Jack, as well as vandalising statues and other monuments is in abundance. One Tory MP tells Guido that the statue of Edward Colston was a Grade II listed structure – and that criminal damage to such statues ordinarily carries a maximum sentence of ten years under the Criminal Damage Act. Law and order Tory MPs are ramping up the pressure to prosecute.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 17:18
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There’s always going to be a speed difference between a case where the perpetrator comes forward and pleads guilty (and is good for both the clear up rate and court turnaround time stats) and cases where video evidence has to be studied, crimes identified and perpetrators brought to trial.

Just Tory MPs looking to get their names in the papers, Bridgen and Francois being recurring examples.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 17:45
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I use Spybot the software, and just got this..

In software, when there are choices to be made, there often exist lists with items to generally allow or disallow. Like many developers, we used the once common terms “whitelist” and “blacklist” without even giving their meaning a thought. While the origin of the term blacklist seems to range back centuries and be unrelated to race, the “black means bad, white means good” metaphor is inappropriate and we apologise for having used it.

So last week, we went ahead and finally got rid of those racially connoted and non-self-explanatory terms and replaced them with more speaking terms like “trust list” and “block list”.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 18:01
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Wonder how the Roman Catholic church will announce the election of a new pope; don't they use white and black smoke? Fumata Nera and fumata bianca.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 20:24
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Neither know nor care how the Rome lot will signify anything but they will understand the distinction between desecration and damage , something which is absent from our political leaders and some contributors here.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 21:01
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“No kind of threat to anyone...”. Seriously? He stole a police taser and pointed it at the officer. If he’d used it on him he’d have had a police gun in his hand two seconds later. There would have been a violent, drunk armed fugitive. Which is, kind of a threat.
The taser has been declared (by the state) to be a non-lethal weapon, supported by case law. In any event, he was running away from the officer, and was shot (two times) in the back. What kind of threat is someone who is running away from you? Do we just shoot all violent drunks?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 03:16
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I don't know that I'd consider someone who was
a) so drunk that he didn't know what county he was in
b) had shortly before been behind the wheel of a car
c) had just attacked a police officer to take his taser
"did not seem to present any kind of threat to anyone".
Did that justify shooting him? Should the cop simply have allowed him to run off into the surrounding neighborhood to see what other mischief he might have attempted?
That's up to a court of law to decide.
But the story is not as one sided as some of the media is portraying.
Oh, and what exactly would justify burning down the Wendy's? The Wendy's total involvement was that the guy passed out in his car in their parking lot.
I sympathise with his family however his wife stated that if he been allowed to run home he'd still be alive. She didn't explain why the cops should release a guy who'd tested positive for DUI and then resisted arrest and then stole a police weapon. I think those things are called "committing crimes".

I don't think anyone has explained why it's okay to immediately sack the cop who pulled the trigger. I woulda thought there's meant to be a period of suspension, investigation, findings, a decision on appropriate action, etc, you know, the usual kind of... is it called "due process" or something like that? Maybe the immediate sacking of a white cop sounds better.

Apparently it was his kid's 8th birthday that day. I don't get why he was passed out in a drive-through fast food joint while she was at home in her party dress but maybe I'm just unwoke.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 03:24
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Panorama on the BBC had a screenshot of the four officers involved in the murder of George Floyd, together with some eye witness accounts of what happened. Interesting that the police officers involved seem come from a mix of racial origins, based on this photo (Chauvin is on the left):


Alleged murder, isn't it? Or have they already finished the trial?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 05:06
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I sympathise with his family however his wife stated that if he been allowed to run home he'd still be alive. She didn't explain why the cops should release a guy who'd tested positive for DUI and then resisted arrest and then stole a police weapon. I think those things are called "committing crimes".
None of which carry the death penalty.

They had his car and had run his ID so they knew who he was and where he lived. They knew he was drunk. They knew they could call for back-up and pick him up at home whenever they wanted. The taser isn’t a lethal weapon.

I think there was a substantial amount of rage and humiliation went into pulling the trigger. Here was a drunk who’d overcome two armed cops, stolen one of their tasers and was escaping - and they’d have to explain that over the radio to dispatch and then face their boss and apologise and face the ridicule of the other cops - but that doesn’t excuse pulling the trigger to stop him.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 06:59
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Alleged murder, isn't it? Or have they already finished the trial?
No, we know that George Floyd's death wasn't an accident, it's already been ruled as homicide. There are no other suspects involved, and so the only question is the degree of culpability of each of these four officers. That has to be decided in court, but it doesn't alter the facts. Just because the alleged perpetrators haven't yet been tried doesn't change the fact that George Floyd was murdered.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 07:24
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"That has to be decided in court, but it doesn't alter the fact that George Floyd was unlawfully killed."
He died in Police custody. What caused his death is for a court to determine ,having examined all ( including autopsy) evidence.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 11:16
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This interview is from November 2014 but makes some interesting points.


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Old 17th Jun 2020, 12:01
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
None of which carry the death penalty.

They had his car and had run his ID so they knew who he was and where he lived. They knew he was drunk. They knew they could call for back-up and pick him up at home whenever they wanted. The taser isn’t a lethal weapon.

I think there was a substantial amount of rage and humiliation went into pulling the trigger. Here was a drunk who’d overcome two armed cops, stolen one of their tasers and was escaping - and they’d have to explain that over the radio to dispatch and then face their boss and apologise and face the ridicule of the other cops - but that doesn’t excuse pulling the trigger to stop him.

Nor does it alter the fact he was drunk and had a stolen taser on him, you do not know who he could have fired it at "On the way home" whether those people have heart conditions etc where it could kill them..
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 13:09
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No, we know that George Floyd's death wasn't an accident, it's already been ruled as homicide. There are no other suspects involved, and so the only question is the degree of culpability of each of these four officers.
Do we know that it was an accident? Where is the autopsy report?
Being charger with homicide does not make it homicide until a conviction is handed down.
Besides the four Officers, there were more people around the incident using their mobile phones as video cameras. How come none of those people have been charged for not rendering assistance if they were concerned about the situation?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 14:33
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Nor does it alter the fact he was drunk and had a stolen taser on him, you do not know who he could have fired it at "On the way home" whether those people have heart conditions etc where it could kill them..
I can hardly shoot my weapon straight sober whilst on the range.

There are a lot of assumptions that determine what he may have done. Do these justify being shot in the back?

Im worried that when on ops my ROE compared to the police was way more restrictive. OTH, maybe their ROE is way too relaxed.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 14:36
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Protester 1 Prime Minister 0

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53082877

Boris Johnson's convoy was involved in a minor collision outside Parliament when a protester ran towards the cars.

This forced the lead car in the convoy to brake suddenly causing the escorting vehicle to collide with the saloon car carrying Mr Johnson.

A visible dent was seen in the prime minister's Jaguar as the convoy drove off towards Downing Street.



It'll buff out..
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