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Black lives don’t really matter London March.

Old 12th Jun 2020, 15:16
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vlieger - you say "Some of the comments here are deplorable. Are you really going to defend the Apartheid government? Resistance to that was fully justified and branding Mandela as a terrorist is a far right trope."

Exactly - at that time, in that context he was considered a terrorist. At the time of Colston he was considered a wonderful philanthropist. What he was doing at that time was considered good business and he did amazing good to the area and people of Bristol. Don't try to rewrite history.Had Hitler won............................?
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 15:38
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Originally Posted by Georg1na View Post
vlieger - you say "Some of the comments here are deplorable. Are you really going to defend the Apartheid government? Resistance to that was fully justified and branding Mandela as a terrorist is a far right trope."

Exactly - at that time, in that context he was considered a terrorist. At the time of Colston he was considered a wonderful philanthropist. What he was doing at that time was considered good business and he did amazing good to the area and people of Bristol. Don't try to rewrite history.Had Hitler won............................?
Surely the saying,. 'don't judge yesterday's actions by today's standards' is too simple for some.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 15:52
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and the farce continues

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1851...tt-gravestone/
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 16:25
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Perhaps you all might like to sign this petition. Black lives were also lost in the cause, and they should be honoured too.
http://chng.it/fvrNLhrRnv
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I have

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Old 12th Jun 2020, 16:56
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Funny old world. My wife worked for a while in the banking industry in a pretty much white area. One of her colleagues happened to be black. No problems, no issues. Everyone just got on with each other and their work. However, HR in the bank in question decided that he was to be singled out and “used“ to promote multiculturalism. In the end he put his foot down and said he was sick of being the “token black man”

The same bank went through a similar exercise with females. It went out of its way to ensure that at least 20% of its mangers were women - irrespective of ability, which is actually an insult to everyone and eventually devalues all.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 17:11
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PN I just don't get that. Is it what you meant to write ?
It is a straight quote from the Express. What don't you get? Try Google for the whole article.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 17:13
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I've signed & donated what I could afford. I reckon that these war memorial 'protesters' banging a skewed drum about their cause probably wouldn't even get a minimum pass mark in the history of both World Wars or British participation in conflicts since. They're either extremely naive or more likely just moronic vandals. The price of the aerosols has more value than their paper-thin morals.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 17:15
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Funny old world. My wife worked for a while in the banking industry in a pretty much white area. One of her colleagues happened to be black. No problems, no issues. Everyone just got on with each other and their work. However, HR in the bank in question decided that he was to be singled out and “used“ to promote multiculturalism. In the end he put his foot down and said he was sick of being the “token black man”

The same bank went through a similar exercise with females. It went out of its way to ensure that at least 20% of its mangers were women - irrespective of ability, which is actually an insult to everyone and eventually devalues all.
If 'things' are to be based on meritocracy, then the good people will have to accept that (in general terms) different racial groups seem to have differing abilities to perform differing tasks. There are groups who commerce is second nature, others to whom creating and designing useful things is second nature, others who work incredibly well together to bring about large projects with minimal drama, others who are gifted in the creative arts film/music/writing/performing, others who are gifted physically and excel at sporting endeavours. It's just the way it is, hardwired perhaps, but certainly learned and honed over millennia, it's part of our/their evolution.

The other side of all this is that certain groups are not good at certain tasks and it is a project in futility to try to expect success just because a quota or edict has to be fulfilled. Actually it's madness. There are exceptional people of all races/genders/ages across the planet, of that there's no doubt, but in general terms the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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PN #327.......not worth my time.....
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 17:36
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I have

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Ditto. But I find it wholly reprehensible that it should be necessary to contribute to such a cause.

I believe the need has its principal genesis in a warped education system. A lack of political conviction - this was at least one area where Gove was effective - and politically-driven behaviour by the teaching unions more concerned with promulgating their loony notions of inclusivity, gender identity and other woke nonsense, than imparting any useful knowledge to their charges has led to this disgraceful condition. Thus apart from emerging from the educational system essentially illiterate, innumerate and inarticulate, they also are possessed of a similar ignorance of history and in consequence, unable to learn therefrom. It can hardly be any wonder that such levels of yobbery prevail.

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Old 12th Jun 2020, 18:10
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On June the 8th there was a BBC News link headed thus: Investigation into man's death in Torquay police cell. Then I read the following: Simeon Francis, 35, who was black, died in a cell in Torquay police station on 20 May after being arrested in Exeter, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said.
Why did they feel it necessary to add an incendiary comment that specified his colour, rather than not mention it? I sent off that question to their Have Your Say department and received this: Thank you for your submission. We endeavour to read all correspondence as soon as possible, however we cannot respond to each individual post. In some cases your comments may be used on BBC output.
I saved the news page and it hasn't been edited. So, apparently the BBC isn't as neutral as it is supposed to be.




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Old 12th Jun 2020, 18:56
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It’s interesting isn’t it, or maybe it’s just human nature, lots of people - myself included - are now more sensitive to any anti white sentiments in the press. We’re all noticing examples of unfairness from our perspective and are now keen to highlight them in an attempt to swing the balance back our way.

Doesn't this just show how protests like these actually create more division rather than healing the rift between the races? All they seem to be doing is polarising opinion and hardening resolve.

I also wonder what socio economic groups the majority of protesters are - irrespective of colour. Do affluent black professionals suffer the same amount perceived prejudice as their poorer brothers or is it the same as the ‘chip on the shoulder’ white underclass who believe they are also victims of a heartless society?

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Apparently they have sprayed a Robert the Bruce statue that he was a racist. One would have thought his heart wasn’t in it even if the trade existed then..

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...tically-dense/

That Bristol statue should have been dragged out of the Harbour and nailed back on its plinth, because all this pandering to a bunch of assholes is simply fuelling the fire and ensuring this will continue, the same goes for taking down various plaques, statues and street names. Let them think they are winning and you are on a hiding to nothing.

They arrested that girl setting fire to the flag on the Cenotaph, she should have been named, dragged straight in front of the courts, prosecuted and it should have been front page news, it worked when the girl insulting the soldiers cleaning one monument was “outed” she is now looking for employment.

Same goes for the others arrested, name and shame, hopefully as with the “Curator” Who posted how to destroy these statues they will then be sacked by whoever employs them.

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Old 12th Jun 2020, 20:59
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I noticed one of the tongue in cheek comments re Robert the Bruce statue was;
"I expect the reasoning went, Robert the Bruce fought Edward Ist of England who's great grandson was Edward, the Black Prince..".


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Old 12th Jun 2020, 22:25
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Apparently they have sprayed a Robert the Bruce statue that he was a racist.
Speaking as a Scot, I find that proposition absolutely hilarious.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 23:06
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Well he hated the English after all.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 00:19
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If the media simply ignored the protests, then the inane signs wouldn't be seen on your TV screen, the "look at me!" generation would be starved of attention, and perhaps the riots might not have happened.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 03:52
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Black lives matter. Agree
white lives matter. Agree
any color lives matter. Agree
brutal cops don’t belong in the police force. Agree

but
yesterday the dallas morning news reported another black live killed by another black and so on.
police forces kill about 400 lives a year in USA of which 25% are black. Ie 100 lives per year
black killing blacks 10,000 per year.
this is every year for the last 20 years. And going on right now in my community.
where is the outrage for the 10,000 killed every year? Where are the riots, demonstrations etc for such losses?
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 06:59
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Originally Posted by Falcon Al View Post
Well he hated the English after all.
Not uncommon. A former colleague was forced to move away from his job in Wales following a period when his house was daubed with "get out English" graffiti several times, his kids were bullied at school for being English and he and his family were constantly subjected to racist harassment whenever they went out. FWIW, his view was that the police were as racist as the perpetrators, as they always insisted on starting any interview with him in Welsh, and making it clear that they preferred not to use the English language. This was at a time when the "Sons of Glyndŵr" were daubing the name of their organisation all over the place in a series of what might be seen as terrorist acts, like burning people's houses down, but which were certainly racist under the current use of that term.
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