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Old 11th Jun 2020, 14:54
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
OK. But I am intrigued to know what new evidence you think might emerge that could change the picture?
All we have seen is an out of context video. The entirety of the evidence has not been presented by competent attorneys to a jury, and therefore we don't have the full picture. That is why we have trials rather than convicting people in the media.

From what I've seen, I'll be very surprised if he's convicted of murder, and I think there's a very good chance he'll be acquitted on all charges.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 14:55
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Originally Posted by WhatsaLizad? View Post
Protestors confront racist freight train.
I saw no protest, merely opportunistic looting by a lot of coloured people.

Who is going to disagree with that statement?
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 15:00
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
What's a "racist" freight train?
Just a little colonial sarcasm

Get it?
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 16:59
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Sounded a bit Australian to me. Is there an FL in Aus., too??
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 17:11
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Originally Posted by guy_incognito View Post
All we have seen is an out of context video. The entirety of the evidence has not been presented by competent attorneys to a jury, and therefore we don't have the full picture. That is why we have trials rather than convicting people in the media.

From what I've seen, I'll be very surprised if he's convicted of murder, and I think there's a very good chance he'll be acquitted on all charges.
Well he is not accused of 1st degree (premeditated) murder. I think there is an excellent chance he will be convicted of 2nd degree murder and a virtual certainty that he will be convicted at 3rd degree murder or above (equivalent to manslaughter in UK)

But, I will wait with interest, maybe there is some new evidence out there that will make it reasonable to kneel on a man's neck until he is dead, with your hands in your pockets, while bystanders beg you to help him and your 3 colleagues look on.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 19:02
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2nd degree murder still requires intent. Itís hard to see how they can prove intent in this case. 3rd degree/ manslaughter is a push. ĎReasonableí is very situational and the defence will strenuously make the point that the officers were using approved procedures on a violent criminal.

The defence team will obviously do everything they can to seat a jury that is male, working class, god-fearing and above all white. If they manage that, they have an excellent chance of acquittal on all counts.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 19:31
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Originally Posted by guy_incognito View Post
2nd degree murder still requires intent. It’s hard to see how they can prove intent in this case. 3rd degree/ manslaughter is a push. ‘Reasonable’ is very situational and the defence will strenuously make the point that the officers were using approved procedures on a violent criminal.

The defence team will obviously do everything they can to seat a jury that is male, working class, god-fearing and above all white. If they manage that, they have an excellent chance of acquittal on all counts.
There is a risk that they "overcharge" and while the jury might convict on a lesser charge like 3rd Degree or Involuntary Manslaughter, they could acquit on the serious charge, but might not have the option. I have zero legal knowledge if different levels of charges can be used. It could be different from state to state. "Overcharging" could be a deliberate political act in order to get an acquittal and the inevitable riots and discontent if it happens near the Presidential Election. That is approaching tin-foil hat land, but the man running the prosecution in the state is Keith Ellison, former national head of the Democratic Party. On a political level, he is a maniacal scumbag like all on both sides, I wouldn't put it above him or the Republicans if they had an advantage (like the Supreme Court nominee).

Seriously doubtful of an all white jury. Each side has some say in the makeup. The trial isn't going to get moved to the Idaho countryside. I will also note that as a Caucasian US citizen who tends to mostly vote on the Republican side (holding my nose at times), I have not heard of one friend, family member, neighbor, acquaintance or my many fellow Republican voting conservative pilots on our private forum that approves of what the Officer did or thinks he shouldn't go to jail for some time. So please remember that thought when discussing one's perception of those of us in the USA while in Europe or elsewhere.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 19:35
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One hopes that, for once, the universities stand firm and refuse to budge.

I presume that ďchallenging and remaking the current pedagogy, which was rooted in imperial and colonial ideas about knowledge and learning, at an institutional levelď means affirmative action and free A grades for everyone considered entitled?


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ise-curriculum

Only a fifth of UK universities say they are 'decolonising' curriculum

Only a fifth of UK universities have committed to reforming their curriculum to confront the harmful legacy of colonialism, an investigation by the Guardian has found.

The disclosure comes as universities are under pressure to modernise their syllabuses to address the attainment gap between white students and those from black and minority ethnic (BAME) backgrounds.

The campaign to give a fuller version of British history that reflects injustices and lauds the contributions of black British people has also won widespread support from the Black Lives Matter protesters.

Academics and students said the Guardianís findings reflected a reluctance in British higher education towards addressing the impact of colonialism on present day racism.

They said many universities apparently failed to grasp that ďdecolonising the curriculumĒ went beyond adding black and non-western scholars to reading lists, arguing that reform should involve challenging and remaking the current pedagogy, which was rooted in imperial and colonial ideas about knowledge and learning, at an institutional level.

Responses to freedom of information (FoI) requests from 128 universities found only 24 said they were committed to decolonising the curriculum. Of those, 11 were committed to reform across the whole institution, with most efforts confined to a few departments, or just one, or a handful of academics and students.......




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Old 11th Jun 2020, 19:46
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 22:52
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I saw no protest, merely opportunistic looting by a lot of coloured people.

Who is going to disagree with that statement?

Given the author and his previous expressed views, ...no-one! " None so blind ..."
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 23:26
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Originally Posted by Islandlad View Post
We are all men of our time. It makes us both strong and weak. He took the fight to evil. Was he perfect? No.
Totally agree,his attitude was probably similar to many, but not all of his peers.
I prefer my history, warts and all,Churchill,as you said, wasnít perfect, far from it, but he was certainly the epitome of the aphorism,Ďcometh the hour, cometh the maní!
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 03:26
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Can we get a protest going for police lives matter? Black police killed during the riots,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ice-narrative/

A young black lasses opinion.


New sign of the times,Gone With the Wind too offensive, TV programs pulled, blacks feature far more regularly than whites is my take having watched said programs, lets bury our heads in the sand.

https://tvline.com/2020/06/09/gone-w...acism-slavery/
Paramount Network officially cancelled the police docuseries Cops after a more than three-decade run, and A&E Network has pulled new episodes of Live PD. HBO Max has also removed all guns from its new Looney Tunes Cartoons series, apparently in response to U.S. gun violence.

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Old 12th Jun 2020, 03:48
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
Can we get a protest going for police lives matter? Black police killed during the riots,

A young black lasses opinion.
This is getting out of hand. Time to go back to work and take our chances with the virus. Clearly black lives don't matter in these big crowds and riots.

Candace Owens is not a 'young black lass', she is a career politician who is taking an alternative stand. She is also an English Toff
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 05:19
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
What's a "racist" freight train?
It was carrying outrageous TVs of colour!
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 07:46
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It was carrying outrageous TVs of colour!
Shades (??!!) of my youth ... growing up "int' Norrf" in the late 60s, TVs were either 'black and white' or 'colour'. A whole generation could now be considered racist for speaking factually ...
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 08:55
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During the 2011 riots, I remember seeing some sociopath, er, sorry, sociologist pontificating on TV about the root causes and she suggested that poverty in the 1950s was defined as those who only had black & white TV as opposed to those who had colour... I'm not kidding. No one picked her up on it... I couldn't stop laughing!
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 09:48
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This is a Tweet copied from the Mayor of London.

To anyone planning to join #BlackLivesMatter protests over the coming days: for you and your families safety, please stay at home and find a safe way to make your voice heard.
To the extreme far-right groups hijacking this crucial cause: Londoners have no time for your hatred
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So the injury to the dozens of Police last weekend were the actions of the far right!
The videos, reports, media at the time, clearly showed it was not only white people rioting. They clearly had signs with BLM on.
One particular picture shows a young black man picking up a bike and throwing it at a mounted police officer.

But Mr Khan fails to acknowledge this, or the disgusting attack on two police officers in Hackney on Wednesday. One of those police officers is a young black female that was treated as a football.

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Old 12th Jun 2020, 10:08
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But Mr Khan fails to acknowledge this, or the disgusting attack on two police officers in Hackney on Wednesday. One of those police officers is a young black female that was treated as a football.
Black Lives Really Matter - unless your'e a police officer.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 10:29
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https://order-order.com/2020/06/12/b...stance-attack/

BRISTOL’S fFIRST BLACK STATUE DAMAGED IN SUBSTANCE ATTACK
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 10:49
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It is very strange to hear such news from England.
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