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Old 10th Jun 2020, 10:27
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One of BLM's avowed aims is to defund the police:
https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/

We call for a national defunding of police. We demand investment in our communities and the resources to ensure Black people not only survive, but thrive. If youíre with us, add your name to the petition right now and help us spread the word.
Make no mistake about who these people are
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 10:51
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HBO have removed Gone With The Wind from their range of available titles.

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. I am sure that the police HR departments will amend their candidate selection process thanks to some pointless virtue signalling by a spineless idiot.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 11:15
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I do find the 8m 46s memorial tribute to be absolutely crass.

From https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/

George Floydís Criminal Past
  • George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
  • On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
  • He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest
  • Floyd has more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail for atleast 5 times
  • George Floyd was the ringleader of a violent home invasion
  • He plead guilty to entering a womanís home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
  • Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
  • He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offense, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
  • Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
  • He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
I also find crass that the local rags in countries far, far away from America are pulling up similar stories out of their archives for a #MeToo moment as well.

If this kind of narrative continues then I suspect BLM will backfire big time.




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Old 10th Jun 2020, 11:44
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Latest wheeze is to persuade camera companies to remove the terms 'Master' and 'Slave' from flashguns...

There are many things about the photography industry that need to change to include our black community. One huge thing is a button on every strobe, light pack, and flash unit made in the photo industry called “slave” mode.

Essentially it is used to instructs a flash unit to monitor incoming light, and fire when it senses the light produced by another flash unit firing unit called “master” to fire.

I was taught flash photography at Rocky Mountain School of Photography by Doug Johnson, who right away addressed this.

He said that we would be using the terms “receiver and transmitter” because the terms slave and master are terms that need to die in the industry. I’ve been using receiver and transmitter for years and know other folks who do to. But every now and then I hear someone use the term slave and master. And when I call them on it, I am brushed off.

Can you imagine being on set with a black human and the photographer yells to the assistant “hey can you put it on slave mode.”

Or being a black photographer and seeing this on your own pack or flash?



Leading lighting and photo gear companies are still using these terms slave and master and putting them on gear. Canon, Nikon, Profoto, Elinchrom, Broncolor… we are all looking at you.

This paints a light on how our industry was made. And how we still have so far to go. We have to call out these companies and change this. We have to hold them accountable and ourselves. When we capture photos with their products and not say something, we are supporting the deep-seated racism in this industry.

Time to call these companies out. Time to change the industry and make way for our black community.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 11:52
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That's the motor and aviation industries buggered then........

https://www.buyautoparts.com/autopar..._Cylinder.html
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:14
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
Latest wheeze is to persuade camera companies to remove the terms 'Master' and 'Slave' from flashguns...
Not to mention pretty well every hard disk in every computer in the world having a jumper setting to switch between Master and Slave mode ...
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:17
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I presume that
Not to mention pretty well every hard disk in every computer in the world having a jumper setting to switch between Master and Slave mode ...
I presume that includes the WD Performance black drives?

https://shop.westerndigital.com/prod...hdd#WD5003AZEX
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:20
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:28
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In the Grauniad of course - but you would have known that from the headline.

Still, as as the descendent of Irish catholics disenfranchised, not allowed to own property and fleeing to the USA in coffin ships, I must be entitled to a load of dosh as well, right? Or is it limited to those who can show they have a few African genes in their mix?

That can get very confusing, especially in a melting pot country such as the UK or the USA, as those here with some native American blood can testify.

The major downside of such articles is that the many who feel some sympathy turn cold at seeing what they see as blatant greed and overreach.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ns-for-slavery

It's time for Britain to think seriously about reparations for slavery
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:35
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I posted the discussion below on UK Politics Forum but it maybe better on here.

I have stayed out of this discussion, largely because looking back at things through 21st Century eyes is not helpful. I agree totally that what happened in the states is unacceptable, and that needs to be addressed by those who reside there, with police reform and training. However throwing statues into docks or defacing them is not an answer either.
Every country, as other have said, can point to periods in their history when they were either creating a slave economy, or benefiting from it, or being enslaved, how far do you go back ? I have lived and worked in West Africa earlier in my career, and as other who have also spent time there have pointed out, slavery continued, and probably still does, for years after its supposed abolition. Indeed the parties of migrants tricked across the Sahara on promised jobs in Europe are just the latest in the line.

As for racism, the worst I have come across has been perpetuated by Nigerians on fellow Africans on numerous occasions, and yes I have worked in the southern US as well, so I am well aware of the issues down there. In the US the integration in the south appears to be more that there has been a growing Afro American middle class, but the integration seems to run in parallel with the White one, rather than together, and this run down through society. How you change it over there I am not sure, but choosing to try and wipe out history will not be helpful.

My own ancestry involved being traded as serfs in York following backing the wrong side in Scots Rebellion and following them south. Do I want to remove any statues of Hanoverian Monarchs or General Cumberland ,no I do not. It is not helpful as I said earlier to look back from a different time, at events even only a couple of 100 years ago. Indeed even looking at some things from the 1970,s through modern eyes can be, shall we say "interesting". Also it is notable that many of the demonstrations have taken part in more liberal and affluent democracies, rather than shall we say, other less liberal / poorer societies. Where are the protest in 3rd world countries where modern slavery still exists, judged by some western eyes.

In short do not ignore history, but do move on, be it Slavery , D Day celebrations, end of WW2 in Europe, WW1 etc you have to put it down. Bad things happen to all in life to a lessor, or indeed greater degree, but the human being and the society which we live in needs to move on. I am not convinced it does any good in the long term to keep remembering events of the past with a modern perspective.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:36
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Originally Posted by trident3A View Post
One of BLM's avowed aims is to defund the police:
https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/
Make no mistake about who these people are
Yep thatís exactly right.

Itís a simplistic slogan, but expanded what it calls for is a diversion away from a harsh criminal justice system as the reaction to societyís ills and reallocation to resources which are better equipped to deal with those problems rather than law enforcement.

For instance ending the failed war on drugs and diverting resources to medical professionals to deal with addiction rather than law enforcement.

Reducing the high prison population in the US and diverting resources to more non-custodial rehabilitation to reduce the high recidivism rate.

Better social programs to reduce the rate of homeless people rather than calling cops to deal with them.

More funding for mental healthcare than continuously having to deal with those who ďsnapĒ and have access to high powered firearms. About 20% of police duties involve the transport of mentally ill people, who donít necessarily need police attention.

Take away the war on drugs, and calls to deal with the homeless or mentally ill and then a huge chunk of police work gone, meaning you could ďdefundĒ the police in those areas.

The concept makes sense once you look past the simple headline.


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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:40
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I was never a big fan of Little Britain for what it's worth but removing it now is ridiculous - for one thing nobody's being forced to watch it for another I don't remember anyone complaining at the time. Once you establish the principle that programmes can be censored because one group or another are offended you might as well redact nearly all the classic British comedies. Where does it end?
Agree, it was pretty terrible. I'd remove it on that basis alone.
I just hope Lenny Henry apologies for doing a sh** impression of Sir David Bellamy - what a racist. (I am being sarcastic btw)
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:49
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I suppose Othello will be the next to go.......
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:51
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I look forward to the USA re-naming its capital. Washington was a slave owner, and entirely unrepentant about it.

So what should the USA call its capital?
Trump town
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 12:53
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 13:21
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Blackface or

Alright, as nobody seems to recall David Gilmore Iíll ask it straight:
Were Pink Floyd racist?
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 13:48
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Originally Posted by cattletruck View Post
I do find the 8m 46s memorial tribute to be absolutely crass.

From https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/

George Floyd’s Criminal Past
  • George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
  • On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
  • He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest
  • Floyd has more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail for atleast 5 times
  • George Floyd was the ringleader of a violent home invasion
  • He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
  • Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
  • He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offense, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
  • Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
  • He had another stint for a theft in August 1998

I also find crass that the local rags in countries far, far away from America are pulling up similar stories out of their archives for a #MeToo moment as well.

If this kind of narrative continues then I suspect BLM will backfire big time.

So it's OK for him to be murdered in the street?

And what's more, this is a typical story of someone who finds themselves locked into a completely ******-up legal system than crosses generations.

Whether he was a saint or a hardened criminal is irrelevant to the main issue here.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 13:52
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Originally Posted by Filler Dent View Post
Agree, it was pretty terrible. I'd remove it on that basis alone.
I just hope Lenny Henry apologies for doing a sh** impression of Sir David Bellamy - what a racist. (I am being sarcastic btw)
Not to mention Eddie Murphy chalking up as a white Jewish man in Coming to America - can we take that down too? In fact lets just take all comedy down in case someone, somewhere finds it offensive.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 17:38
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So it's OK for him to be murdered in the street?
I wouldn't say it's ok for him to be murdered in the street but I'm not going to lose any sleep over a violent career criminal dying.

Thus far all we can say for sure is that he died in the street, by the way. A jury will determine what crime, if any, was committed.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 17:49
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"White Chicks" 2004 American "Comedy" Film with two Black Guys whiting up as a couple of spoit 'n rich white girls....

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