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Old 5th Jul 2020, 21:30
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My lodger has just bought a Xiaomi M365 Pro which he gleefully rides around town. Being a press photographer he is in with the local plods who have advised why have been told to ignore them unless they flagrantly do something dangerous or are in an accident.

I checked into insurance fir him - no cover and household insurance won’t cover personal liability as they are illegal - even though Halfords sell them.

He has been urging me to ride it, so far I have declined even though I was looking into them. It is surprisingly large and heavy - and fast. Limited to 25kph on delivery but there is an easy hack to increase it to 35kph.

I have been tempted towards the HIMO z20 electric bike which is available from August, but that’s even larger and, with the scooter, there really isn’t the room in the apartment.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 21:46
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash View Post
Hired either from a shop or Boris Bike rack system would need a payment method somewhere along the line and so the hirer will have some form of third party insurance at the least Also these scooters would have to be returned to terminate the hire otherwise the charge just build up and up till the hire is terminated.

As noted before privately owned and currently illegal for use other than in the Olympic Park would be yet another method to commit crime, with a built in escape system to evade Plod.
As per everywhere else in Europe they donít need to be returned anywhere. Just drop them wherever and cancel the hire on your phone and the charging stops. Might sound like a nuisance but to be fair they are huge in Paris with a few companies doing them and although you see them lying all over the place they arenít a hinderance to pedestrians. Although some of the grumpy old bunch might disagree.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 01:29
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I tend to trog along a coastal path near to my childhood beach. One 200 yard stretch is now legal for bikes. I try to be vigilant but have been known to deviate off course if tired. Bikes come by with one femtometre to spare, as much as 25 mph I'd guess. There is no doubt, a full impact could finish any useful life I have left. Insurance would be irrelevant.

Yesterday had the first lady knocked down and injured. The @Q#$$# did not stop.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 02:39
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Although some of the grumpy old bunch might disagree.
Absolutely, ban the lot of them.

...........lying all over the place they aren’t a hinderance to pedestrians.
A visit to Santa Monica, California, would change your opinion. Total menace.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 06:00
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...oter-vn5v5nrph

Scoot along to Milton Keynes if you want to hire an e-scooter

Electric scooters will take to the roads of England in their numbers today with more cities likely to approve them in the coming weeks.

In Milton Keynes 500 are being made available after the government legalised their rental last month. Lime, the San Francisco company that rents e-scooters and battery-powered bicycles around the world, is operating the scheme there.....

The Buckinghamshire scheme will be the second after the launch of 50 scooters in Middlesbrough last month......

Other schemes are also in the pipeline, with as many as 50 cities or regions ready to test the e-scooters. Beryl, a British company, will start hiring 100 e-scooters in Norwich shortly.....

Other scooter schemes are expected to be launched soon in Cambridge, Peterborough, Northampton, Kettering, Southampton, Birmingham, Coventry, Liverpool and Oxford.......

London is not expected to follow until later in the autumn because of difficulties in talks between individual boroughs and hire firms......

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Old 26th Aug 2020, 06:06
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Saw a rather portly girl electric scootering up the High Street in Croydon several weeks ago. Gazing at her phone in left hand, doing around 15mph, not paying any attention to the road surface (poor), pedestrians, cars... a SPLAT waiting to happen.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 08:19
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With the all the traffic hazards in central Geneva - bikes, trams, powerful cars - the electric scooters just add another level of danger to the humble pedestrian .... especially as the users do not think that traffic lights and pedestrian crossings apply to them. I speak from recent personal experience. Their users also tend to have headphones or 'ear buds' permanently in place which do not help their concentration on the road and the adjacent pavement.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 09:10
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I nearly got run over yesterday by some lunatic riding an electric skateboard.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 06:29
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English exceptionalism......

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1872...-record-cases/

Number’s up for e-scooter pests

Electric scooters will be fitted with number plates after warnings that antisocial behaviour on them is worse in England than anywhere else in Europe.

The Times has learnt that the company behind an e-scooter trial in Coventry and at least 12 other cities will install identification plates to ensure that misbehaving riders can be easily tracked by CCTV operators and police. The large plates — probably formed of five digits — will be added to the front and back of the scooters over the coming weeks, even though they are not required by law.

It is one of a series of measures to be introduced by Voi, a Swedish company, which also include an increase in staff to monitor the scheme, a “one strike and you’re out” ban on people who misuse them and incentives to complete a driver training course.

Voi, which provides e-scooters across Europe, has decided to suspend its service in Coventry after reports of users mounting pavements and riding in pedestrianised zones. The scooters had been introduced to the city four days earlier........

Richard Corbett, Voi’s general manager for Britain and Ireland, said: “We have an antisocial behaviour issue. That is something that is not unique to Coventry or Middlesbrough or any city. I think we have an antisocial behaviour issue across the country and, when launching, there is a small minority that are ruining it for the majority.

“We haven’t seen this level of antisocial behaviour in any other market. We have had great experience of it but the volume of it in the UK was quite surprising.”......

Mr Corbett said that extra measures would be introduced to stop loutish behaviour. It is hoped that the Coventry scheme will restart next month.

“We have agreed with not just Coventry council but all the markets we are launching in that they will have as a basic feature number plates, which will significantly improve the ability of local police to report an issue or for CCTV to identify a vehicle,” he said.

“It is unfortunate that we need to babysit the customer and we shouldn’t have to do that and we don’t want to do it. The key to this is getting the service right on a small level — improving monitoring and enforcement — and then growing over time.”.......
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 08:18
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I've had three or four run ins with total prats riding electric scooters on pavements round here in the last month - not kids but people I'd expect to act like proper adults. Yesterday the guy was about my age, very narrow section of pavement and he squeezed between me and a garden wall, I almost had to step into a busy and equally narrow road with my back to the traffic. As a mate said last night "the latest must have toys for little boys and girls..."
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This thread needs to be read alongside the one on Britain becoming a Police state
Perfectly illustrates the publics schizophrenic relationship with law and order.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 08:38
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This thread needs to be read alongside the one on Britain becoming a Police state
Perfectly illustrates the publics schizophrenic relationship with law and order.
What's schizophrenic about obeying age old laws ( see below ) , and these excrescences have wheels, get them on the road for a start, and treat them as road using vehicles ...........

See my post #29 .... Quote ...I recall that as a teenager I fitted a 25cc two-stroke motor to my school pushbike, but ... I had then to register it as a motor cycle, attach number plates fore and aft, wear a helmet, and pass a motor cycle driving licence practical driving test. Any attempt to ride it on the pavement would have brought the full force of the law down on me. Why not e-Bikes now ? ( and powered scooters ) A pox on the lot of them.

You may be getting the idea that I don't approve of electric scooters ( or e-bikes on the pavement ) ?
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 08:57
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Originally Posted by Alsacienne View Post
With the all the traffic hazards in central Geneva - bikes, trams, powerful cars - the electric scooters just add another level of danger to the humble pedestrian .... especially as the users do not think that traffic lights and pedestrian crossings apply to them. I speak from recent personal experience. Their users also tend to have headphones or 'ear buds' permanently in place which do not help their concentration on the road and the adjacent pavement.
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I have had that issue in Geneva as well, and do not get me started on Amsterdam and Dutch cavalier attitude to cycling and pedestrians, which gets even more interesting when it gets dark and many choose not to use lights. On my last two trips to Amsterdam I have been hit thankfully at low speed, though a friend who lives there part time with Dutch girlfriend has started to take more direct action by yelling "lights" at them, but he has been hit numerous times. The ridding of scooters or bikes while using mobile devices is just nuts.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 12:43
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As I age, when SWMBO takes me for long walks, I have taken to carrying a large-ish walking stick.

It is to help me walk. Honest.
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