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Old 27th May 2020, 11:14
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
paths are meant for both walkers and cycles so no both have a right to be there. Same with tractors in rural settings (and BTW most tractors are very considerate).

40 in a 50... fine, although I would pass if safe to do so, but what about 15 or 20 in a 50 zone?
I used to drive a fair distance to work every day and was often much delayed by the same tractor doing 20 mph for miles and miles on a road with many pull offs but few opportunities to pass. This reched its zenith one evening on the way home when the same vehicle was picked up leaving Holt in Norfolk and followed almost to Dereham at the same speed. The thing had a queue as far as the eye could see in front and likewise to the rear. The situation was resolved when blue lights and siren overtook the lot of us and pulled over the tractor and trailer rig. He must have stayed off the roads at rush hours after this as I was never unfortunate enough to encounter him again. A lot of tractor drivers in Norfolk are considerate but there are an awful lot who aren't.
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Old 27th May 2020, 15:14
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
The guy I saw on the scooter this morning was doing around 15-20mph I'd say. There is no frontage to the row of houses I live in, the doors open straight onto the pavement which is about 6-7' wide.

Saw a bloke of about 50 riding along the pavement on Limpsfield Road in Sanderstead last night - pavement is probably less than 5' wide. Not much traffic, no cars parked... totally unnecessary. I had a polite word as he squeezed past, no reply...

On a wide seaside promenade or similar it might be acceptable providing people are riding sensibly; ORAC mentioned the Under Cliff path east of Brighton which I'd think is a reasonable place, but not on narrow paths and pavements.

Anyone who's walked the lovely canal side paths in London will know that they are a favourite cycling route for many people, some of whom are the Clarksons of the cycling world and have no patience for groups of pedestrians getting in their way. Guess what? The tow paths were built for horses travelling at 4mph.
Someone new to the village has been "bad mouthing" cyclists on our "village page", complaining about them using the local canal tow paths. Someone politely pointed out that she was complaining about cyclists quite correctly using the national cycle network route as advertised and encouraged. She'd obviously not noticed the big blue signs everywhere along the route.
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Old 28th May 2020, 10:24
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Courteous cyclists on tow paths are fine, it's the impatient sods that need to be turned into duck food. Pretty sure the London tow paths have signs asking cyclists to ride considerately which most seem happy to do.

Saw three electrically motivated people on the pavements yesterday: a middle-aged couple on stand up scooters who appeared to be out for their daily exercise at a fast walking pace... umm... The other was aged about 20, swerving around on an electric bike and doing at least 20mph, apparently aping Peter Fonda on a pretend Harley. He embodied why these bloody things don't belong on the pavement.
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Old 28th May 2020, 11:30
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On my daily exercise walk yesterday along a pavement, I was nearly mown down by a group of four cyclists coming silently up behind me. They were using the pavement to bypass a queue of vehicles in the road waiting at a red light.
Had I heard them coming I would must certainly have given a sideways push.
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Old 28th May 2020, 17:21
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Had I heard them coming I would must certainly have given a sideways push.
I prefer to start weaving and otherwise taking up as much room as possible.

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Old 28th May 2020, 17:28
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As a cyclist, walker and motorist, and occasional motorcyclist, I feel very much the same way about those that ride recklessly on pavements. I inherited my father's old telescopic shooting seat, in a pretty poor state, so I stripped it and need to replace the two badly corroded steel tubes that telescope together. Whilst stripping it down, it did occur to me that it might be possible to add a small, quickly deployable "stinger", as used by the police to stop cars, perhaps. Bit Q-like, but quite an attractive idea, being able to quickly deploy such a device just ahead of an oncoming cycling menace, then quickly retract it and pretend that you're completely innocent, as the cyclist comes to a halt with a flat tyre. . .
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 16:43
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Complete prat on an electric monowheel in one of Croydon's parks yesterday evening, zipped out from behind a tall hedge at speed, swerved round me and several other people on the paving surrounding the band stand and was gone; any busier and there would have been injuries. So surprised I didn't even have time to articulate some witty abuse, let alone send him flying...
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 21:37
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My father-in-law once spoke of the young lads who would inconsiderately cycle back and forth along the path that ran behind his back garden. One day, fed up with this, he picked up the garden rake and waited behind the hedge until he could hear a youth approaching from his left and, judging it just right, stepped through his back gate with the rake handle held horizontal whilst he looked to his right. I think he said it took out about half a dozen spokes.
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 23:23
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Driving back from the Peak District today and two Lycra brigade members riding their bikes side by side. Holding everybody up. Coming up to a light and passed them which they didnít appreciate and came up to my window complaining I was to close to them. Asked them why they feel it is right to ride two abreast and there answer was itís legal. It may be legal but sure is inconsiderate given the surroundings. The light change and they started to take off only to realise I was turning right and one ended up on his ass. Serves him right.

Why would you choose to ride a bike on very narrow mountain roads with numerous blind spots and sharp corners. Surely there must be somewhere safer to ride?
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 09:48
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Not just the Lycra brigade. Last year in Cirencester, I saw a little old lady riding her bicycle down this narrow one way street the WRONG way! And then cursing and swearing at all the cars and vans going down it the right way. I presume she did it because it was much shorter going down the street the wrong way that going round the correct route...
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 10:34
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Last week I saw a father riding his bike along a busyish road with his small daughter, perhaps 8-9, riding ahead of him. Cycling along the pavement comes Jack-the-Lad (late teens) - I pointed at the little girl saying "if SHE can ride on the road..."
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 16:25
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Legal as from this Saturday, as long as they are hired and ridden on roads: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53219331
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:21
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Yes but privately owned ones are still to be ilegal on UK roads. Rentals are only to people with at least a provisional licence and on road only
During lockdown I have 4 yoofs in my road who have them and ride round in a group on the pavements. Cummon council stop repairing pot holes .....
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 18:35
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Local police down here have been told they are to turn a blind eye to anyone on a scooter unless they are involved in an accident or behaving so dangerously they’d do the same thing to a cyclist.

When you consider top of the range electric models such as Xiamo M365 are being sold by Halford’s I think they are bowing to the inevitable.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 20:23
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I don't understand the logic behind the decision to allow only hired scooters and not privately owned ones. One of the concerns voiced before this came about is the probability that they will just be abandoned anywhere and everywhere when the user has done with them. Major trip hazzard for pedestrians. My feeling is that privately owned ones "might" be looked after and not just dumped across the pavement.

Also, the precedent has been set with electrically assisted cycles in which there is no distinction between privately owned and hired to the users.

There is still no comment on electric skateboards being allowed, yet. I did see, just today, a new electric skateboard has launched which is virtually indistinguishable from a non powered skateboard. No obvious motors, no drive belts, no power bulge underneath or visible battery. Even the hand controller is so small that it almost disappears when in use. A kind of stealth electric board. I bet that if you push with your foot once in a while nobody will even suspect. Neat.

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ps am I allowed to mention the company making this new skateboard? I am not associated with them in any way but I do like their product.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 21:05
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Hired either from a shop or Boris Bike rack system would need a payment method somewhere along the line and so the hirer will have some form of third party insurance at the least Also these scooters would have to be returned to terminate the hire otherwise the charge just build up and up till the hire is terminated.

As noted before privately owned and currently illegal for use other than in the Olympic Park would be yet another method to commit crime, with a built in escape system to evade Plod.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 21:05
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Maybe we will have piles of abandoned scooters like the abandoned bicycles in China.

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Old 5th Jul 2020, 21:20
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Originally Posted by rans6andrew View Post
I don't understand the logic behind the decision to allow only hired scooters and not privately owned ones. One of the concerns voiced before this came about is the probability that they will just be abandoned anywhere and everywhere when the user has done with them. Major trip hazzard for pedestrians. My feeling is that privately owned ones "might" be looked after and not just dumped across the pavement.

Also, the precedent has been set with electrically assisted cycles in which there is no distinction between privately owned and hired to the users.
The logic is that hire companies have been lobbying government to allow this for years, and you can be fairly confident that they bought the right people at the right time to push the government into making this decision. The last thing the hire companies want is competition from people buying their own portable electric scooters and using them for short journey commuting. The same thing happened in the EU with electrically assisted bicycle legislation years ago, where the manufacturers stitched up the rules to suit themselves and to ensure that all the millions of (mainly Chinese made) ebike conversion kits were made illegal.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 21:31
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Main reason during the trial is insurance. It’s included in the hire price but no company will offer it to a private owner, at least at the moment.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 21:45
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Main reason during the trial is insurance. It’s included in the hire price but no company will offer it to a private owner, at least at the moment.
A red herring, I suspect, as the reality is that bicycles don't require insurance*, not even electrically assisted bicycles that are limited (as far as electric assistance is concerned) to the same speed as these scooters, yet have a greater mass. It's illogical to allow bikes to ride around without insurance at the same sort of speeds, yet insist on insurance for tiny electric scooters.


*Although not a legal requirement, some house insurance policies cover third party bicycle accidents I believe.
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