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Old 26th Apr 2020, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
You know how I like to challenge your posts and I can’t help myself again.

You say that those who complain about the clapping are being conformist and just going along with the crowd on here.

I think most of us here would have guessed that you, personally, would have fallen on the ‘clap with pride’ side of the argument.

Therefore are you not just a little guilty of being conformist yourself? Are those that merrily clap along not guilty of conformism as well?

Is clapping not just a way to morally absolve yourself of actually doing anything tangible to support key workers?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and they don’t all need to agree.





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Reasonable points.

Conformity on JB is everything to some contributors and anybody who chooses not to conform to their, at times, almost mandatory expectations can expect to be castigated for having the temerity to do so.....

Correct, I do clap and will continue to do so for the reasons I have stated. There's very little we can do in practical terms due to one of us being fairly high on the at risk category, but we do keep an eye on our elderly neighbour and I gave away my single man tent given it was never going to be used again anyway ,to a couple down the road who are doing a great job with two young kids in trying to keep them happy.

As for the suggestion we all donate a 5.....how about that 350m that was mentioned rather prominently on the side of a red coach being used instead ……..
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 10:52
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Well have to admit we don't. Almost seems we're congratulating ourselves for congratulating the NHS staff. No problem with others doing it if it makes them feel good. Perhaps a generation thing: similarly have a problem with the ubiquitous use of the word ' hero'. In my world hero's have to be rare. Still it's not impirtant. I don't suppose.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 12:08
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
BV,

Reasonable points.

Conformity on JB is everything to some contributors and anybody who chooses not to conform to their, at times, almost mandatory expectations can expect to be castigated for having the temerity to do so.....

Correct, I do clap and will continue to do so for the reasons I have stated. There's very little we can do in practical terms due to one of us being fairly high on the at risk category, but we do keep an eye on our elderly neighbour and I gave away my single man tent given it was never going to be used again anyway ,to a couple down the road who are doing a great job with two young kids in trying to keep them happy.

As for the suggestion we all donate a 5.....how about that 350m that was mentioned rather prominently on the side of a red coach being used instead ..
I think that 350 million has been blown for about the next 1000 weeks. Then add the cost of a No Deal to the bill, should take us to around 2050.

And, Optimistic, this may seem churlish given his achievement, but where does Captain Tom fit in with this ? I note the meedja now refer to him constantly as a war hero but my understanding is that he was a gunnery instructor. Not trying to denigrate him at all, just saying.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 12:27
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Well have to admit we don't. Almost seems we're congratulating ourselves for congratulating the NHS staff. No problem with others doing it if it makes them feel good. Perhaps a generation thing: similarly have a problem with the ubiquitous use of the word ' hero'. In my world hero's have to be rare. Still it's not impirtant. I don't suppose.
I recall the interview with a WW2 veteran last year on BBC Breakfast when he said words to the effect that he was not a hero as all the heroes died. Very poignant.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 13:26
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At the risk of sounding very curmudgeonly, the feeling I’m getting is the clapping is really a useful way of distracting the masses for 10 minutes from the monotony of SI. When restrictions are eased, will people still feel the need to continue with it? After all, there will always be NHS staff on the frontline, even if there’s no longer a pandemic.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 13:32
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
At the risk of sounding very curmudgeonly, the feeling Im getting is the clapping is really a useful way of distracting the masses for 10 minutes from the monotony of SI. When restrictions are eased, will people still feel the need to continue with it? After all, there will always be NHS staff on the frontline, even if theres no longer a pandemic.
I sincerely hope that this pandemic will result in a permanent change to the way some view health care staff, much like two World Wars and a dozen or so other conflicts did with military personnel. Most of all, I hope that Boris Johnson remembers what it was like to have his life in the hands of dedicated carers, and ensures that some of the health care policies of his party in the past are thoroughly condemned.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 13:32
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I suppose that, as with other words, the meaning changes over the generations and those of us who were using it in it's previous iteration hear it being used in it's latest form, it grates and brings forth indignation la Victor Meldrew. A well known example being 'Gay', formerly to express joyous and carefree feelings, then gradually towards sexual meanings, then to describe homosexuals and these last few years primarily in the USA, used by yoofs to denigrate something, as in 'I just did ten press-ups', "That's so gay, John can do forty!". I'd imagine there are a good few people who would be apoplectic with rage by the last development, but that's the way it's gone.

Captain Tom's achievement (The distance walking at his age and after hip surgery) is heroic for him to do, but the other usages probably do an injustice to those who fell, or were terribly maimed from the various wars.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 13:38
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In my world it's not outcomes it's the exposure to risk above and beyond. My great uncle won a VC in WW1 ( not posthumously) for recovering a wounded officer ( who died). You have to run towards danger not away ( I wouldn't qualify). I can't climb very high up a ladder out of funk but that doesn't mean all window cleaners are hero's.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 13:47
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I provided "samples" for bowel cancer checks. Is that [email protected] for the NHS?

Sorry.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 13:51
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
You have to run towards danger not away......
.....When there's no expectation on you to do so.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 13:53
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I think you're talking sh*t.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 14:06
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I don't like the clapping. The first time it was a great gesture from everyone to express gratitude, but now there seems to be moral pressure from all and sundry to do it.
I feel it's a bit like the buying of a poppy. When I was growing up, I bought and wore a poppy as a genuine mark of respect for those who had been involved in the wars. Today, if you don't buy one there's an underlying social pressure to do so, regardless. It's this pressure I resent, the moral belittling by others. Virtue signalling is a good description.

Maybe it's just my perception.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 15:33
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I have not taken part in any of. I did my time in the NHS, suffered the mental consequences and don't really need to justify my choice to the curtain twitchers on my street.

Ultimately, the NHS is doing what it is supposed to in something like this, with additional support and capacity which has never really been needed (the capacity that is) and they have done a great job dealing with it, and continue to do so.

Likely an unpopular viewpoint on it, but its mine.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 15:50
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Remember clapping is endemic. Watch any TV contest show. Possibly correctly the audience applaud the winner or whatever. Instead of acknowledging the applause in a suitable manner the winner claps too. Most odd.

I think it is a bit odd but I will continue to do it, we are in a small court but it gets us all out and seeing the living other than white van man. One of our neighbour s has a disabled daughter; she enjoys the participation too. It means more than Clapping for the NHS.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 16:04
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I know that some of the nurses are attractive, but how come they have all got the clap?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 16:32
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I think that 350 million has been blown for about the next 1000 weeks. Then add the cost of a No Deal to the bill, should take us to around 2050.

And, Optimistic, this may seem churlish given his achievement, but where does Captain Tom fit in with this ? I note the meedja now refer to him constantly as a war hero but my understanding is that he was a gunnery instructor. Not trying to denigrate him at all, just saying.
Should make no difference. When you join any of the services, your life becomes forfeit. Whether gunnery instructor, infantryman or chief cook and bottlewasher, at some time, you're expected to do your bit and kill people.

Hand clapping and banging tin cans ? It is what I would expect. As for writing an appreciative note to the Almoner/Matron/General Manager of whichever hospital takes your fancy and sending as large a donation as you can comfortably manage? Can't do that, everyone will be doing it won't they ? Besides it requires effort. Easy to bang a tin can.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 16:54
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At my age, I go outside with a saucepan and stick, get to the porch and ask myself why I came out.

Then the door auto-shuts, and I am outside without a key.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 17:20
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
And, Optimistic, this may seem churlish given his achievement, but where does Captain Tom fit in with this ? I note the meedja now refer to him constantly as a war hero but my understanding is that he was a gunnery instructor. Not trying to denigrate him at all, just saying.
I suggest you read Wiki about him, indeed a gunnery instructor but note the Burma Star he is wearing. I don't know his personal involvement but I would not have wanted to do a sea borne assault against a crocodile infested island occupied by the Japanese.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 18:02
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I reiterate, the intention of my post wasn't to denigrate him in any way. He's a game old fella and it's a great achievement at ( almost ) 100. No my point was rather about the meedja and the way they pick up on things. I've noticed that they love to find the " good Muslim" whenever there is any situation worthy of providing a hero.
I'm not saying that they don't deserve it or they are not good people, just that the meedja have this agenda. I can't believe that it isn't officially sanctioned, and I can see why. As before just saying. And regarding the croc infestation it appears that it was the Japanese who took to the mangrove swamps who got snacked upon by the nasty wee beasties.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 18:06
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Mrs LES and myself both work in the NHS. For the first week, the clapping was nice but now..... Wherever you work in the NHS, you are always at risk. As a surgeon, I might get a needle stick injury and the patient might be HIV positive or Hep C. As a psychiatric professional, it could be a patient armed with a weapon. Currently we are all at more risk and in my outpatients every patient is treated as being potentially Covid positive. I'm in the right demographic, over 60 and male so at higher risk than most of my younger colleagues.This is my job, I love it and would go to work whether clapping occurred every Thursday or not. Risk is everywhere and minimising it is your best defence. I can remember the days before our seatbelt law when i used to spend many happy hours putting faces back together that had been redesigned by a windscreen. Now few take the risk of driving without seatbelts - risk reduction in action. I've already had my say elsewhere on these forums about masks.
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