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Old 15th Feb 2020, 01:35
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It's something that will never stop being a danger.

Solid evidence to show that signs and briefings will never cure this danger.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-51510531
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 08:08
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There are a couple of ways at least that could get them inn the correct side. One is a major engineering solution involving slip road, barrier and flyover so that traffic is physically fed into the correct carriage way. That would be expensive.

An alternative might be smart traffic lights using sensors or cameras or both. As soon as a car is sensed going in the wrong direction lights flash red. Red in both directions to stop the errant car being hit. Not as sure but less expensive.

Maybe traffic lights?

Or cheapest, trample barriers such as at some supermarkets that stop you using the wrong exit.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 08:45
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Driving on the 'wrong' side of the road in a different country is hardest at junctions, where there can be a lot going on for the brain with checking all the other traffic, so basic lane choice can be relegated to the subconscious, and of course the subconscious will choose the normal lane according to where one learned and normally drives.

I don't know what signage there is at the exit to the base, but a sign with a large diagram of the junction onto the main road, with clear arrows showing the route a car needs to take onto the appropriate lane depending which direction they are turning would probably be helpful. And even arrows painted on the road surface leading onto the correct carriageway - Follow these arrows to turn left, these arrows to turn right.
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 08:45
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Iím not clear how trample barriers would work. Cars emerge from a T junction onto a two way road, the B4031. They can turn left or right. Possibly islands in the middle of the B4032 might help with suitable markings to guide right to turning cars onto the left side of the road. Take a look on Google maps.
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Does Tesla adjust?
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Does Tesla adjust?
Yes. Autopilot automatically switches sides depending on location.
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I was interested to see photos of the road arrangement at the Hong Kong / Chinese border where traffic seamlessly is switched to driving on the "other" side of the road as it crosses the border. Little risk of drivers coming in from mainland China for the first time accidentally driving on the right as Hong Kong's roads and streets are so crowded that there would be no chance of drifting over to the right.
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Maybe I am slow here but the easiest way to contain this is to prohibit driving on the US side on US bases-they are not sovereign US territory in the final analysis and if theres any wrong side driving then its they who have the problems and it would condition them to driving the right way when they venture off base.
Americans-even spooks are often not worldly wise on such matters although in the womans defence i have occasionally found myself on the wrong side in France especially at quiet rural junctions where there are limited signs and often no traffic as reference points .

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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Maybe I am slow here but the easiest way to contain this is to prohibit driving on the US side on US bases
They don't, because they aren't stupid. Have a look at RAF Croughton (or any of the other US-occupied UK bases) on google maps with the satellite option (or google earth) and you can clearly see all the road markings and junction layouts are for driving on the left. We do the same with our (few remaining) overseas bases - on the base you drive by local road rules rather than british road rules because doing otherwise would be stupid.

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prohibit driving on the US side on US bases
As has been pointed out on another thread on this subject, on base at Croughton they drive on the left. Take a look at the road markings on Google earth. They even have a roundabout on base to practice on as well, as I gather that roundabouts are not common in America.
It has been suggested that the existing exit from the base become an entrance only, and an exit to the south-east, (currently closed), feeding on to the A43 dual carriageway northbound be used instead. This could be an exit only, with an angled slip road making it impossible to turn right into the on comong traffic.


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What a pity GB didn't 'do a Sweden' and switch to RHS driving (like most of the rest of the world) in the 1960s.
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Originally Posted by Discorde View Post
What a pity GB didn't 'do a Sweden' and switch to RHS driving (like most of the rest of the world) in the 1960s.
Britain, Australia, Japan - all the important places in the world drive on the left. It should be for the colonial underlings to come into line...

I gather that a few years ago Ireland considered changing over due to the claims that accident rates were lower, so they announced that on march 1st all the cars will drive on the right for a 3-month trial. If the trial shows a reduced accident rate then on 1st June the arrangement will become permanent, and will be expanded to include the buses and lorries...

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If they switch to the right hand side but don't change which side the steering wheel is on, how is that a useful test?
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 12:50
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Just paint great big arrows on the road bear the airbases???
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Old 15th Feb 2020, 12:56
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
If they switch to the right hand side but don't change which side the steering wheel is on, how is that a useful test?
The Swedes had left hand drive cars and used to drive on the left. I suppose one advantage is you might drive closer to the edge thus leaving a greater space between opposing vehicles.
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I was going to say India drives on the left, but actually it’s a variable.....
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
I was going to say India drives on the left, but actually itís a variable.....
That can apply in France too 😂
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Same in New Jersey .....
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Just paint great big arrows on the road bear the airbases???

There are already great big arrows painted on the road outside the entrance. If you look at the video in the link in the first post, the car coming out of the base just ignored the large arrows in the road.
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DO they drive on the "correct" side of the road on base? If not, making this happen would be a good start.
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