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Old 9th Oct 2021, 12:44
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Almost guaranteed that Covid infections will plummet soon.

When people have to pay for their tests, there is no way they will be as diligent. We can than relax as our figures will soon fall in line with the rest of Europe.


https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-...es-2021-10-06/

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Old 9th Oct 2021, 13:52
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If any of this is true, it should disturb us all...

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/10/07/f...mentary-group/
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 14:44
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
Almost guaranteed that Covid infections will plummet soon.

When people have to pay for their tests, there is no way they will be as diligent. We can than relax as our figures will soon fall in line with the rest of Europe.
What about the deaths/capita? Will those drop too if you test less? The only reason the UK deaths/capita numbers are currently comparable to the EU average is that the two least vaccinated EU countries, Bulgaria and Romania, had almost 50% of the COVID deaths in the EU in the last 7 days. Not to mention Romania and Bulgaria are on the top 2 positions in the World by deaths per capita in the last 7 days. If you exclude those two countries which failed to convince their people to get vaccinated, the UK had about twice the deaths per capita compared to the EU over the same 7 day interval.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 15:33
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
Almost guaranteed that Covid infections will plummet soon.

When people have to pay for their tests, there is no way they will be as diligent. We can than relax as our figures will soon fall in line with the rest of Europe.


https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-...es-2021-10-06/
If I recall correctly the daily case figures only record laboratory tested PCR test. A primary reason for taking a PCR is a positive LFT.

Ceasing free LFT tests may just result in more positive cases not being identified, more spread of infection, greater pressure on the NHS and more deaths.

Such a policy only begins to make sense if public health measures such as vaccine passes are in place for indoor events, with mandatory LFTs for the unvaccinated and face covering which would please some here.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 16:16
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I can only assume they were being sarcastic, given that the same idea was peddled by Donald Trump, if we don't test it won't exist...
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 17:10
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Originally Posted by andytug View Post
I can only assume they were being sarcastic, given that the same idea was peddled by Donald Trump, if we don't test it won't exist...
Yes, I was being ironic.

The point being, many friends have dutifully collected their LFTs from their local chemists and are testing if they feel under the weather or have been in contact with potential infection but I know these same people wouldn’t be so keen if there was a cost implication. I can only assume that would probably apply to a lot of the general population.

Having used an LFT several times myself you are still requested to report the result - whatever it is. The test comes with a bar code that you either scan or enter the numbers which I assume enables the figures to be captured centrally.


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Old 9th Oct 2021, 21:50
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Originally Posted by andytug View Post
If any of this is true, it should disturb us all...

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/10/07/f...mentary-group/
A lobby group to help distort and mislead. Fancy that. And with such impeccable brainiacs as “scientist” professor Gupta on board, we can look forward to guff being passed off as credible information and knowledge.

It is a sad indightment of the age that The Welcome Trust is presently engaged in defining standards for publication in drug research. Or should I say redefining? This wheel was invented long ago.
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Old 11th Oct 2021, 06:39
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Eurocontrol released their weekly movement report just before the start of the weekend.

RYR are now only 9% behind their pre-Covid 2019 numbers and WZZ similar at 10% behind.

The full service carriers such as BAW and DLH are still over 40% behind their 2019 numbers, underlining that it’ll be a long way back to normal for those guys on their widebody routes and also a big chunk of early aircraft retirements.

THY are bucking the full service trend and despite having one of the largest fleets in Europe, are only 13% behind.

EZY are a curious one - they too are over 40% behind their 2019 numbers bucking the low cost trend of getting aircraft back in the air. They still had 4 A319s parked up in LTN last week on a taxiway.
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Old 12th Oct 2021, 17:34
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Seems that the F1 medical car driver has caught Covid for a second time.
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Old 12th Oct 2021, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
Eurocontrol released their weekly movement report just before the start of the weekend.

RYR are now only 9% behind their pre-Covid 2019 numbers and WZZ similar at 10% behind.

The full service carriers such as BAW and DLH are still over 40% behind their 2019 numbers, underlining that it’ll be a long way back to normal for those guys on their widebody routes and also a big chunk of early aircraft retirements.

THY are bucking the full service trend and despite having one of the largest fleets in Europe, are only 13% behind.

EZY are a curious one - they too are over 40% behind their 2019 numbers bucking the low cost trend of getting aircraft back in the air. They still had 4 A319s parked up in LTN last week on a taxiway.
I think those figures only relate to flights - no information on load factors. I suspect many flights are pretty empty.
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Old 13th Oct 2021, 14:02
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Ryanair flight LTN-DUB on Thursday and return on Sunday both packed.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Andrewgr2 View Post
I think those figures only relate to flights - no information on load factors. I suspect many flights are pretty empty.
I've been on 10 flights since the start of August. Not been my impression at all, although fares are heavily discounted.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 11:46
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Judging by recent trips to supermarkets and train journeys, it rather looks like the public have discounted covid with the anxiety deficit turning to petrol and now electricity capacity and Christmas toys. At the same time the newspapers are reporting an escalating crisis in Romania. Odd times.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 12:33
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Judging by recent trips to supermarkets and train journeys, it rather looks like the public have discounted covid with the anxiety deficit turning to petrol and now electricity capacity and Christmas toys. At the same time the newspapers are reporting an escalating crisis in Romania. Odd times.
This has been my whole point throughout the Covid crisis.

The narrative has always been driven by the media. As soon as they lose interest and stop reporting, the collective public consciousness moves on to something else. Nothing has changed at all - in fact, infection figures are far higher than they were this time last year but because the fear factor isn’t being fanned by the news organisations, people are more complacent and relaxed about the virus.

It also appears, despite government assurances that decisions are based on ‘following the science’ most actions have driven by populist opinion and a disproportionate vocal minority.


Incidentally, regular Norwegian Air flights from Scandinavia to Southern Europe, particularly Spain, are full and have been for several weeks.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 12:38
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............................Nothing has changed at all - in fact, infection figures are far higher than they were this time last year but because the fear factor isn’t being fanned by the news organisations, people are more complacent and relaxed about the virus......................
Do you see the rising complacency as a good thing as people are more relaxed, or a bad thing as more people are likely to be infected?
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 12:51
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Do you see the rising complacency as a good thing as people are more relaxed, or a bad thing as more people are likely to be infected?
I think there’s a middle ground - if that’s at all possible?

On one hand, there are those that are still paralysed by fear, totally inhibited in their day to day lives and will genuinely struggle mentally to return to normality.

On the other, there is a gung ho group that think they are invincible and that Covid happens to other people. There’s always been a hardcore group that have partied all the way through.

From a personal point of view, I believe we have to learn to live with Covid but continue to treat it with respect. I’m still not totally convinced on the effectiveness of masks - as worn by most of the general public - but decent hand hygiene makes sense. We’re a grubby nation and not many even wash their hands after using the toilet. Appropriate use of tissues rather than sniffing and coughing at others. Restrictions on numbers in enclosed spaces etc etc. Not entirely convinced on lockdowns. If you lockdown, you do it entirely. There were so many exceptions it was worse than a leaky sieve. My fully able bodied neighbour had a cleaner visit throughout and a neighbour who is a captain for a private jet business was never out of work the whole time!
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 13:01
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
Nothing has changed at all - in fact, infection figures are far higher than they were this time last year but because the fear factor isn’t being fanned by the news organisations, people are more complacent and relaxed about the virus.
Indeed, nothing has changed at all:



After all, it proved impossible to create a COVID vaccine, so the UK is in exactly in the same situation as last year.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 13:19
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I think the loss of media interest in Covid is a result of several factors but primarily a combination of public fatigue on the subject and the spate of crises we have since been beset by. A good thing or bad thing? I agree it is a good thing in that there is more a semblance of normality as people realise the vaccines are doing their job in the majority of cases. This is fine, provided people do not relax their guard too much. The vaccines are not wholly effective so a rising number of cases will inevitably lead to a rise in hospitalisations and deaths. In my area, the current wave is by far the worst we have ever had and even with the vaccines in place, we are seeing similar numbers of hospitalisations and deaths as the second wave and many more than the first wave. Yet walking around. life seems fairly normal apart from one exception - mask wearing. Masks are an ongoing reminder that we are still in the midst of a pandemic and to that end, I feel they are important, not so much for any direct effect they have, which is valuable, but they trigger other behaviours such as distancing, not lingering and sanitising surfaces.
Finally, the possibility of a resistant emerging has not gone away and the more cases we have, the greater the possibility. I believe the media still have part to play in keeping public awareness alive and giving complacency a regular kick.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 13:20
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It appears, from NHS figures, that across the UK hospital Covid admission and bed numbers have flatlined and Covid patients being mechanically ventilated has started to decline.

Not saying it's over but the vaccine program does seem to be having an impact.

On the other side of the coin it appears that the UK had up to 19% excess deaths compared to previous years during September
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 18:59
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Yet walking around. life seems fairly normal apart from one exception - mask wearing. Masks are an ongoing reminder that we are still in the midst of a pandemic and to that end, I feel they are important, not so much for any direct effect they have, which is valuable, but they trigger other behaviours such as distancing, not lingering and sanitising surfaces.
Yeah, lets get rid of the masks, it will further help us feel we are back to life as we should live it..... I much prefer to see people's faces, you can see them smile and also hear them speak more clearly. Masks are degrading and all part of the fear & control we have been subjected to.....
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