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Old 6th Oct 2021, 18:36
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Plus I look a hell of a lot better in a mask.
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 19:06
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Originally Posted by redsnail View Post
The advantage of wearing a mask is you can mouth "**** off" to the muppets and no one knows.
That's nothing. I mouth "**** off you complete *****" - and they never suspect a thing...
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 09:21
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Interesting theory. We’ve certainly seen a similar pattern in the U.K. Surges of Covid and then retreats, despite interventions and seasonality.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/b...-us-cases.html
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 10:48
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I can safely say I will be wearing a mask when required for the foreseeable future as well as using sanitiser. I can't afford not to being responsible for madam.

As for others, I don't think it's realistic to try and define demographics who are / aren't given, a general observation, the wearing of such seems to be evenly spread.

My neighbour contracted Covid last year and was admitted. This was ironic as she, and the family, had been happily ignoring the rules about numbers and meeting in the home. This changed, rapidly, after her infection and now the windows are always open, which they weren't before, plus, the sound of her coughing, frequently, is impossible to miss.

Irrespective of the effectiveness of the vaccine, I firmly believe Covid is going to present a continued health risk for a long time. That, and the social side effects, mental health in particular and changes in work / leisure environments and practices are being understated.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 20:11
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I see so many people, especially shopkeepers, wearing a mask, but with it dropped so low that I can clearly see their nostrils.

Did they not get the memo?

Somehow, saying that they are merely paying, “lip service,” to the requirements doesn’t seem like the right phrase…
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P.S., Covid seems to concentrate in the upper reaches of your nose, so covering your nose seems like a great idea….
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 11:09
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I wonder how many people are aware of this? Guidance from the ONS to doctors completing medical certificates of cause of death.


”if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID- 19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death.”

So a positive test result isn’t needed for a death to be potentially recorded as a result of Covid and worth bearing in mind many lower respiratory tract infections (common in the elderly and end of life) would have similar symptoms.


https://assets.publishing.service.go...h-covid-19.pdf
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 12:19
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That's a misleading partial quote. It actually says:

"For example, if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, tick Box B and then share the test result when it becomes available."

Not quite a case of "a positive test result isn’t needed for a death to be potentially recorded as a result of Covid".
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 12:40
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Friend of mine asked me to look this BBC item out as one of her friends is anti-vax and pro-Ivermectin, thought I'd share it here for interest.

Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 18:45
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
That's a misleading partial quote. It actually says:

"For example, if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, tick Box B and then share the test result when it becomes available."

Not quite a case of "a positive test result isn’t needed for a death to be potentially recorded as a result of Covid".
Great example of how supposedly reputable fake news gets created. Worth noting that the widely quoted government death statistic is clearly labelled as only referring to deaths within 28 days of a positive COVID test. And that it is also recognised that for at least some of these people death was not a consequence of COVID.

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Old 8th Oct 2021, 19:27
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
That's a misleading partial quote. It actually says:

"For example, if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, tick Box B and then share the test result when it becomes available."

Not quite a case of "a positive test result isn’t needed for a death to be potentially recorded as a result of Covid".
Not quite.

In the circumstances of there being no swab, it is satisfactory to apply clinical judgement.








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Old 9th Oct 2021, 03:55
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There are statistics that show the average expected death rate per capita per location.

Since Covid, the number of deaths has exceeded normal expectations.

To a degree, isn’t arguing as to to whose death has and has not been accurately diagnosed with Covid akin to arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 09:37
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BBC News finally wakes up to the Covid situation in UK!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58849024

Actually the UK has been the worst, or one of the worst countries in Europe in terms of raw case figures, and deaths even before the ridiculous "freedom day". We just tend to close our eyes to how we are performing compared with the rest of Europe, actually for months now we have been in the top three nations globally for recorded new case numbers, generally number 2 to the USA.

The report does highlight some valid reasons as to why things remain so bad in UK, among them the late decision to vaccinate young people, and perhaps more importantly the binning of all restrictions in England. It should really come as no surprise to anyone keeping their eyes on trends outside of the UK goldfish bowl.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 10:15
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
BBC News finally wakes up to the Covid situation in UK!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58849024

Actually the UK has been the worst, or one of the worst countries in Europe in terms of raw case figures, and deaths even before the ridiculous "freedom day". We just tend to close our eyes to how we are performing compared with the rest of Europe, actually for months now we have been in the top three nations globally for recorded new case numbers, generally number 2 to the USA.

The report does highlight some valid reasons as to why things remain so bad in UK, among them the late decision to vaccinate young people, and perhaps more importantly the binning of all restrictions in England. It should really come as no surprise to anyone keeping their eyes on trends outside of the UK goldfish bowl.
That article also highlights that “the current high rates are fuelled by high rates in teenagers and particularly those under 16” This group are largely unvaccinated but they are also the group less likely to suffer severe or long term illness. In other age groups the numbers are holding steady so ‘binning all restrictions’ hasn’t had the dire outcome some were anticipating bearing in mind Freedom Day was nearly three months ago and that experts agree there is now more immunity in the population.

It also points out that the U.K. was hit by Alpha and Delta ahead of other countries in Europe so we are at a different stage in the pandemic.

It’s worth holding the thought that we are also relentlessly and actively encouraged to test ourselves for Covid in the U.K. I have many friends who test themselves daily even without symptoms because the LFTs are free. As the old expression says, seek and ye shall find.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 10:40
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
It’s worth holding the thought that we are also relentlessly and actively encouraged to test ourselves for Covid in the U.K. I have many friends who test themselves daily even without symptoms because the LFTs are free. As the old expression says, seek and ye shall find.
What is this "testing" business?? I have never been tested (for this disease), nor do I have much desire to be tested. I do have a box down stairs that does contain test kits. If I opened it I would not have a clue what to do with it...!! I just work on the principle "if I feel well I keep going"...!! Time to worry is when I don't feel well. Just returned from receiving my 'flu vaccination. Wonder if I really needed to receive it....?? I will never know.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 10:55
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
BBC News finally wakes up to the Covid situation in UK!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58849024

Actually the UK has been the worst, or one of the worst countries in Europe in terms of raw case figures, and deaths even before the ridiculous "freedom day". We just tend to close our eyes to how we are performing compared with the rest of Europe, actually for months now we have been in the top three nations globally for recorded new case numbers, generally number 2 to the USA.

The report does highlight some valid reasons as to why things remain so bad in UK, among them the late decision to vaccinate young people, and perhaps more importantly the binning of all restrictions in England. It should really come as no surprise to anyone keeping their eyes on trends outside of the UK goldfish bowl.
What an incredibly pessimistic, negative, depressing post. I look out and think that the situation is improving daily, life is returning to some something like before March 2020 (normal ??). As I see it ""the ridiculous "freedom day""" is the best day we have had for a while.. A good decision all round. We need more of our freedoms back..... ATNotts try some optimism, it is wonderful stuff....!!!
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 11:01
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Don't let facts get in the way. Optimism may be wonderful stuff but the facts suggest otherwise.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 11:09
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Don't let facts get in the way. Optimism may be wonderful stuff but the facts suggest otherwise.
The fact I see is life is returning to what we enjoyed pre March 2020. Long may it continue....
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 11:34
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
The fact I see is life is returning to what we enjoyed pre March 2020. Long may it continue....
Interesting, According to the figures supplied by our local Health Care Trust, the number of Covid patients in hospital in our area is slightly worse then the the first wave of the pandemic - when we did not have a vaccine available. Back to normal? Not yet.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 11:45
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Planemike,

There wasn't a whiff of pessimism in that post. There is cause for some, especially if flu were to be bad this winter, and if it is then be prepared to don your face covering by law, and socially distance - to 'save the NHS'.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 11:54
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Yet again the government has dithered, either by design or incompetence depending on who you believe. There was time during the summer holidays or at the very start of term to vaccinate 12-15 year olds, but they've only just started now. Anyone who has kids or works in a school could tell you that schools are a hotbed of respiratory infections, within two weeks of going back most of them have some sort of cold or sniffle. Not surprising when most schools have inadequate ventilation and as many kids crammed in as they can legally get.
There are disturbing reports of MPs allied to the HART group spreading anti-vax sentiment via Westminster Hall debates - what is their agenda I wonder?
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