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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 07:33
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Bear in mind that "Mr Muscle" is a brand, not a specific product, and comes in several different formulations for different applications.
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 08:16
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Forgot that - i've not tried anything other than the oven cleaner! I use Tesco own brand for everything else...

Had an elderly colleague whose wife suffered a severe respiratory reaction when she mixed several different cleaning products trying to eradicate limescale or something from their shower tray. She was in hospital for several days and last I heard (he left) she was still struggling and I suspect the damage was permanent.
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 15:26
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Yes, I don't know what version I was using, but I was cleaning a bath, albeit with a long handled mop. In hindsight, I can't believe they make sprays with stuff like this. Breathing it in is inevitable, even standing away from the concentrated area. Having one's head in a shower well would be pretty concentrated I'd think.

I've been in bed most of the day. Hard to tell what's wrong and getting a bit alarming. Still, daughter said she felt bad for three days after last jab so I suppose being an oldie 6 days is to be expected.

I guess I'll have to cancel dinner with the almost Ex Rivetess and daughter. Shame. Only time I've been anywhere for weeks. I wonder if I'll make it to 82. I'll know in a couple of days.
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 11:44
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It's official, the city I live in, Melbourne, Australia, now holds the record for the highest number of days in lockdown (245 days), ahead of second and third places that are not known for their first world order.

This situation manifested itself thanks to one of the most incompetent state public service administrations in our country, who's mishandling of traveller quarantining by employing untrained new immigrants (some of whom were bonking quarantined guests in the hotel) led to the very first lockdowns. The person in charge of these clots now appears to be modelling himself along the lines of Stalin. Coincidently, the 2017 UK film The Death of Stalin was screened on national TV a week ago of which I felt I could relate to considering our protracted lockdown situation. I mentioned the movie to a work colleague who said he'd seen it twice, I expressed my surprise as this was the first time I'd ever heard of it, perhaps its screening had been banned in all communist states. We are now the laughing stock of the world, and with the benefit of hindsight it's beginning to look like such severe lockdown measures aren't really working. But try telling that to Stalin and his muddled headed thinking brigade.

On a positive note, a new drug by Merck has the potential to change the way we fight Covid-19 by turning it into a simple orally administered treatment.
From https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...id-19-80344616

In a potential leap forward in the global fight against the pandemic, drugmaker Merck said Friday that its experimental pill for people sick with COVID-19 reduced hospitalizations and deaths by half.

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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 15:49
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Forgot that - i've not tried anything other than the oven cleaner! I use Tesco own brand for everything else...

Had an elderly colleague whose wife suffered a severe respiratory reaction when she mixed several different cleaning products trying to eradicate limescale or something from their shower tray. She was in hospital for several days and last I heard (he left) she was still struggling and I suspect the damage was permanent.
Yeah. When I was ( a lot) younger and marginally more stupid I had a chemistry set which I found utterly boring so messed about with whatever I could get my hands on including bleach. Don't know why it took them so long to discover chlorine, I did it in about 5 minutes of desultory effort. Not recommended.
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 15:56
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Forgot that - i've not tried anything other than the oven cleaner! I use Tesco own brand for everything else...

Had an elderly colleague whose wife suffered a severe respiratory reaction when she mixed several different cleaning products trying to eradicate limescale or something from their shower tray. She was in hospital for several days and last I heard (he left) she was still struggling and I suspect the damage was permanent.
Never mix cleaning products
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 18:37
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That does sound like it is exactly what my colleague's wife did...

Loose Rivets, how are you doing today?

Was something in the Telegraph several days ago about a particularly nasty and persistent cold that's doing the rounds - but it is just a cold. Theory seemed to be that people's defences are at low ebb because of all the anti-Covid measures...
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 18:59
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Some rather discouraging excerpts from the current edition of Private Eye (No. 1557), written by their correspondent 'MD' (Dr Phil Hammond):

TWENTY-ONE months after the Covid outbreak started, with ten months of vaccination, seems a good point to benchmark the UKís performance. Our Covid deaths per million over the whole pandemic (1,999) is significantly higher than the European average (1,628) and most comparable wealthy countries (Spain 1,845, France 1,733, Germany 1,113). The average for all high-income countries is 1,369, though Italy exceeds us at 2,163. Star performers are Denmark (454) and Finland (192).

You canít provide safe care without sufficient staff. England has just 2.8 doctors per 1,000 people, in comparison with an EU average of 3.7. We have 100,000 staff vacancies in each of the NHS and social care. As we struggle to retain staff, and lose them post-Brexit, those that remain are in firefighting mode but are wary of admitting error in case they get the blame. So despite all the scandals from Mid Staffs to Morecambe Bay, poor care is probably still covered up and whistleblowers are still being sidelined. And staff are now resigning precisely because they are not able to deliver safe care.

The NHS has only survived this long on the goodwill of workaholics, who are celebrated and rewarded for working ridiculously unsafe hours. The World Health Organization has just published its report on the risk factors at work that cause most deaths. By far the greatest was "long working hours", accounting for 750,000 deaths a year. Because no government has ever been brave enough to mandate safe staffing levels in health and social care, dangerous working hours were instead rewarded as going "above and beyond" long before the pandemic.


All in all, a typical example of the British way of 'muddling through with inadequate resources'.
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 20:58
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Was something in the Telegraph several days ago about a particularly nasty and persistent cold that's doing the rounds - but it is just a cold. Theory seemed to be that people's defences are at low ebb because of all the anti-Covid measures...

Wife has had exactly the same cold during the last ten days I believe, even though we have both had negative lateral flow and PCR tests after returning from Greece.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 04:54
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...All in all, a typical example of the British way of 'muddling through with inadequate resources'.
"Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way"
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 13:11
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Is the Covid crisis possibly over because the media has decided it is?

Infection numbers that would have attracted screaming headlines several months ago are barely mentioned now. The press seem to have other bones to gnaw and have moved on, although cases remain fairly high. There was almost an air of disappointment by reporters that numbers didnít skyrocket after the easing of restrictions in July. There was a gleeful anticipation of further fatalities once the children returned to school but things are holding steady and indeed deaths and hospitalisations are on a downwards trajectory.

Overall, the public mood seems much more positive and optimistic for the future, and personally itís a relief not to be bombarded with constant negativity throughout every news report.

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Old 4th Oct 2021, 13:29
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Is the Covid crisis possibly over because the media has decided it is?

Infection numbers that would have attracted screaming headlines several months ago are barely mentioned now. The press seem to have other bones to gnaw and have moved on, although cases remain fairly high. There was almost an air of disappointment by reporters that numbers didn’t skyrocket after the easing of restrictions in July. There was a gleeful anticipation of further fatalities once the children returned to school but things are holding steady and indeed deaths and hospitalisations are on a downwards trajectory.

Overall, the public mood seems much more positive and optimistic for the future, and personally it’s a relief not to be bombarded with constant negativity throughout every news report.
anna...... Hear hear to the above...!! A definite sense of realism is returning now the media are not fuelling the situation. A realisation that it is another disease but we can cope with it, some more readily than others. Life does go on and all of humanity is not going to be wiped out in an instant...
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 14:15
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Never, ever mix cleaning products.

There were cases a number of years ago of men passing out in a pub urinal because some genius had put bleach into the header tank and when it flushed down onto the crystal blocks in the urinal gutter it gave off toxic fumes!

Don't forget that mixing bleach and urine creates chlorine gas!!



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Old 4th Oct 2021, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
anna...... Hear hear to the above...!! A definite sense of realism is returning now the media are not fuelling the situation. A realisation that it is another disease but we can cope with it, some more readily than others. Life does go on and all of humanity is not going to be wiped out in an instant...
Yes, but the the vaccinations changed everything. Without vaccinations the situation would have been just as bad as last year, if not worse, and probably nothing would have changed in the media.

I live in a country where the government was not able to convince enough people to get vaccinated, just 30%, and we currently have the worst wave yet regarding deaths. ICUs are full again, and the wave is not even slowing down yet. Understandably, the media keeps reporting the situation just as before.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 17:38
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Originally Posted by annakm View Post
Is the Covid crisis possibly over because the media has decided it is?
The recent crisis is past, as vaccination has ensured the numbers of people contracting severe covid that requires hospitalisation is manageable (in UK) and the daily death toll is, for the public at large, acceptable. However the UK in particular is playing with fire in having removed mask wearing restrictions and refusing to instigate a covid pass for events. In countries where they have kept their guard up, while still opening up society, such as the Low Countries, France, Germany and Italy the figures, whether they be new cases, hospitalisation or deaths are far lower than in the UK per capita. When, not if a new variant pops up, and that variant proves to be either more contagious, or worse more severe or the vaccines don't hold up so well against it - heaven forbid there was to be a "triple whammy" the UK will be wishing it hadn't chucked the baby out with the bathwater.

Wearing face coverings is hardly a personal freedom thing, in the same way wearing seatbelts isn't. Covid passes must be a good idea, otherwise so many nations wouldn't have adopted them.

The world must be due another "variant of concern" and really don't believe it's over until the fat lady sings. She's hardly tuning up yet.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 17:48
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It's official, the city I live in, Melbourne, Australia, now holds the record for the highest number of days in lockdown (245 days)
Well, the USA has exceeded 700,000 deaths from Covid. If we could, would you be willing to swap records and results?

How many died of Covid in Australia?

Less than 1,400.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 18:06
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ATN....... Why not be optimistic....???? You seem to want to cling on to Covid & the inconveniences it brings.. Things are going well here in the UK. Lets get rid of muzzles and restrictions and get our lives back..... Who wants to have to produce a "pass" to go out and enjoy some mundane pleasure.....??
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 18:14
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They are not going well, the track record to date ensures that. However, they are going less badly than heretofore.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 18:18
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ATN....... Why not be optimistic....???? You seem to want to cling on to Covid & the inconveniences it brings.. Things are going well here in the UK. Lets get rid of muzzles and restrictions and get our lives back.....
I'd rather be realistic, then if things turn out better than I fear then I will be delighted, if things turn out as I fear they might, then at least I won't have a nasty shock. The only thing that is going well is the hospitalisation rate; if you consider an annualised death rate of something in excess of 67,000 a success then I'd like to know what you consider failure! Flu kills a quarter of that figure annually, road accidents barely 3% of that number. Even the UK vaccination rates are now falling below the levels in some European countries.

I still don't quite get the problem with, as you terms them, muzzles. I can see the argument against covid passes, because they could very well be construed as an infringement of freedoms, but only the freedoms of those who choose not to have the vaccination. I have just this afternoon met with a guy who decided not to have his covid jab as he didn't want to feel ill while on holiday - the consequence was a nasty dose of covid that left him in a coma taking up a valuable ITU bed for 2 weeks. Pretty poor prioritisation I'd have said, and with hindsight he agreed!
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 18:32
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ATN............... .Pessimist Planemike........ Optimist. Just the way we look at things.

I don't have a problem with muzzles, I don't and have never worn one. I don't like seeing my fellow citizens,
wearing them. Would make an exception for some health care professionals.....people in CLOSE proximity.

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