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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 10:17
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Personally I'm not that fussed if the ant-vaxxers want to help themselves to a Darwin Award. That section of the gene pool is overdue a bit of a clear out.
Thatís fine provided none of those dear to you fall into that camp. The trouble is the anti-vax group provide succour to the hesitant and the afraid who are probably undeserving of a Darwin.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 10:20
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Yep, the point that getting vaccinated is also about protecting other people and preventing further virus spread and development is completely lost on many of the hesitant. They are stuck at personal choice and personal risk.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 11:38
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
Yep, the point that getting vaccinated is also about protecting other people and preventing further virus spread and development is completely lost on many of the hesitant. They are stuck at personal choice and personal risk.
Despite banging on and on about that in the media, and by government through the formerly regular press conferences, there is a group in society, mostly under the age of 40 that simply hasn't grasped not only that vaccination prevents spread, but also that wearing a face covering is less about protecting the wearer, and much more about protecting others.

Sadly it is the "me me" selfish attitudes that prevail among many in that group which will in all likelihood lead to restrictions being reintroduced later this year or early in 2022. Not only that but the rank stupidity of returning schools to virtually normal (one teacher told me only last week that it is as though covid had never happened) will almost inevitably lead to a considerable increase in infections, and with the daily death figures already running at an average in excess of 100, government is going to be pressing the panic button before too long.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 11:51
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My friend says she thinks - no one has been specific - that she is now expected to return to the office several days a week but she won't - too many of her immediate team have refused the vaccination and as front line staff are daily visiting people's houses who are amongst those most likely to have also ignored the opportunities to get jabbed. She has several friends who have serious health issues and as an asthmatic over 60 she is also likely to be more vulnerable to it - it is approaching six months since she had her second jab so she may will be in need of a top up.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 14:32
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Not only that but the rank stupidity of returning schools to virtually normal (one teacher told me only last week that it is as though covid had never happened) will almost inevitably lead to a considerable increase in infections, and with the daily death figures already running at an average in excess of 100, government is going to be pressing the panic button before too long.
Interesting…by way of comparison in France (17,621 new cases reported last night) the schools are going back right now, I’m pretty sure for teachers and almost all pupils it’s still mask on indoors and in some areas (depending on the local rate) outdoors as well.

French language rules and refs here..

https://www.education.gouv.fr/covid1...ique-et-305467

Generally out and about for the grown ups it’s still masks required inside most/all buildings to which the public have access such as supermarkets, etc.

Edit to Add: Also with reference to the general response the booster vaccination program has been approved and will be shortly getting underway for all over 65s and all those clinical vulnerable…

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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 15:19
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
InterestingÖby way of comparison in France (17,621 new cases reported last night) the schools are going back right now, Iím pretty sure for teachers and almost all pupils itís still mask on indoors and in some areas (depending on the local rate) outdoors as well.

French language rules and refs here..

https://www.education.gouv.fr/covid1...ique-et-305467

Generally out and about for the grown ups itís still masks required inside most/all buildings to which the public have access such as supermarkets, etc.
Clearly the French government has more common sense than the Westminster administration!
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 16:16
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Clearly the French government has more common sense than the Westminster administration!
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No sh1t Sherlock!! I think most Western Govts at least would have, and most considerably more than or current reps.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 17:06
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For all those panicking about the return of the schools this week, the medical director of PHE Yvonne Doyle has stated, “We understand, and I understand fully, that parents may be nervous but I would stress again that schools are not the drivers and not the hubs of infection."

We either trust the experts, or we don’t. We can’t cherry pick the information we do or do not agree with because surely that would be no different than those that are being accused of being “anti” or “conspiracy theorists”

On a positive note, the ONS is also reporting that cases - except, unfortunately the NE of England - are trending downwards.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 17:45
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
For all those panicking about the return of the schools this week, the medical director of PHE Yvonne Doyle has stated, ďWe understand, and I understand fully, that parents may be nervous but I would stress again that schools are not the drivers and not the hubs of infection."

We either trust the experts, or we donít. We canít cherry pick the information we do or do not agree with because surely that would be no different than those that are being accused of being ďantiĒ or ďconspiracy theoristsĒ

On a positive note, the ONS is also reporting that cases - except, unfortunately the NE of England - are trending downwards.
I'm not sure what data Yvonne Doyle is looking at, she doesn't have to look much beyond the Scottish border to see the impact of the start of the Autumn term, and at least in Scotland the government has decided to retain mask wearing in secondary schools. We can only guess at how much worse the situation in Scotland would have been had Nicola Sturgeon (not for the first time) made a good call.

Of course schools aren't the only drivers of infection, night clubs and crowded pubs are also going to be petri dishes in which the virus (all viruses really) can thrive. The decision to remove the requirement to wear face coverings in enclosed spaces and on public transport that was made, for quite inexplicable reasons, by Westminster will also have an affect.

If the UK as a whole can get away with daily new cases remaining below 50k once schools, and also universities have returned I think we will have done well, however the daily average death toll is now standing at 111, were it to get to 200+ the government(s) would have to be seen to be doing something, and rightly or wrongly, that will very likely include limited lock downs returning, Many won't like it, but I believe the mood among the majority would probably be in favour and it would politically (further) harm the UK government not to follow the public mood. You only have to look at peoples opinions to taking foreign holidays to see how risk averse the public is now.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 18:04
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Masks are compulsory in Devon and Cornwall too for up to 5 weeks. At the same time we have already had one major music festival which created a large spike in cases and this weekend we have another that has been allowed to go ahead - crazy.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 18:19
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What is ""crazy"" ....?? Lots of people enjoy festivals & "get togethers". All part of life which still does go on.....!! Nin....Please do not lambast me...I have taken more than enough already. Address you comments to those attending the festivals. I will not be attending a festival but do enjoy other social activities...

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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 18:56
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What is ""crazy"" ....?? Lots of people enjoy festivals & "get togethers". All part of life which still does go on.....!! Nin....Please do not lambast me...I have take more than enough already. Address you comments to those attending the festivals. I will not be attending a festival but do enjoy other social activities...
The whole 'freedom day' thing in England was crazy, chucking all the safeguards out overnight was bonkers. Sure, relax some rules but vaccination passports should have been required for all crowded venues, and mask rules should have retained and ENFORCED!
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 19:16
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
What is ""crazy"" ....?? Lots of people enjoy festivals & "get togethers". All part of life which still does go on.....!! Nin....Please do not lambast me...I have take more than enough already. Address you comments to those attending the festivals. I will not be attending a festival but do enjoy other social activities...
As a Christian you will appreciate Proverbs 15:2 or perhaps 13:16. I suggest you take them to heart.

The last festival had a hand in getting our daily disease rate in parts of Cornwall to virtually 1 in 50, which we are only just starting to come down from. Did I mention this infection rate was the highest in the country? Oh by the way, we also have two counties in "special measures" as a result, including compulsory mask wearing in schools and restricted educational strategies. But hey, you love masks don't you and I bet you think that education is over rated?

Now we are looking at the possibility a repeat peformance but don't worry, you wouldn't understand, bless your simple soul. I have filed you under "I". How are the goats?

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Old 3rd Sep 2021, 08:49
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
What is ""crazy"" ....?? Lots of people enjoy festivals & "get togethers". All part of life which still does go on.....!! Nin....Please do not lambast me...I have taken more than enough already. Address you comments to those attending the festivals. I will not be attending a festival but do enjoy other social activities...
Life won't go on for many who attend large gatherings, don't wear masks, and remain unvaccinated. I'm also sorry you feel as though you've taken enough already, but you keep coming back for more. That's an example of being crazy.
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Old 3rd Sep 2021, 15:55
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The JCVI has decided against recommending the vaccination of 12 to 15 year olds against Covid. The gain against risk is described as marginal. This always was going to be a difficult call as it involved exposing one group to a risk to protect a second group when the benefit to themselves was marginal. Children at risk because of underlying health problems will still be vaccinated.

Now the next question. To boost or not to boost?
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Old 3rd Sep 2021, 17:32
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Boost

first: voluntary boost the immunosuppressed - cancer, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, HIV, transplant recipients and inflammatory bowel disease and rheumatoid and others on immunosuppressants. These groups have had a poor response to 2 doses and a 3rd dose is known to effectively protect half those still at risk. We should also pass primary legislation to protect as we do for the disabled

second: mandatory boost of healthcare workers. Between 15 and 40% of all hospital covid deaths in Q12021 were infected in hospital. Vital we reduce the risk of staff transmission plus we need staff to work not be sick

third: anyone else. By Q42021 Q12022 the vaccinated may have less than 50% protection so a booster will push their immunity back up. It is likely we will have covid 19 for decades and so repeat vaccination will be the norm as it is for flu, except covid vaccination is more effective. The UK has already bought enough vaccine and unused it will go out of date - it isnt easy to resell to other countries, but by December 2021 world production will be enough for 2 doses for the entire planet so others wont need it.
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Old 3rd Sep 2021, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
The JCVI has decided against recommending the vaccination of 12 to 15 year olds against Covid. The gain against risk is described as marginal. This always was going to be a difficult call as it involved exposing one group to a risk to protect a second group when the benefit to themselves was marginal. Children at risk because of underlying health problems will still be vaccinated.

Now the next question. To boost or not to boost?

Surely a marginal gain is better than no gain?
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Old 3rd Sep 2021, 19:01
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
The JCVI has decided against recommending the vaccination of 12 to 15 year olds against Covid. The gain against risk is described as marginal. This always was going to be a difficult call as it involved exposing one group to a risk to protect a second group when the benefit to themselves was marginal. Children at risk because of underlying health problems will still be vaccinated.
A vaccinated person is less likely to transmit Covid to another, so vaccinating 12-15 year olds will help protect their parents, no?
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Old 3rd Sep 2021, 19:18
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Surely a marginal gain is better than no gain?
True, but myocarditis cases make headlines and not catching Covid doesn't. I see the politicians are widening the question to get the answer they want.
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Old 3rd Sep 2021, 19:24
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A vaccinated person is less likely to transmit Covid to another, so vaccinating 12-15 year olds will help protect their parents, no?
But if the parents are vaccinated and far less likely to be sick anyway? Is the risk to a child worth the slightly more reduced risk to the parents? It all a balancing act. Glad I do not have to make the call.
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