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Old 21st Jul 2021, 10:58
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy View Post
Probably best not to encourage him.
It is not a matter of encouragement or not..... I partake in these discussions through a genuine interest in the topic...
Would be rather boring if everyone held the same opinion...
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 13:58
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy View Post
Probably best not to encourage him.
Don't be mean, it gets lonely under that bridge with nothing but goats for company.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 18:04
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I've been to my local busy supermarket twice today and both times the only customers without facemasks have clearly been in their mid-twenties or less. So much for recommendations
No doubt the usual Ppruner/s will leap to their defence. Let's see how the infection figures stack up in a few weeks.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 18:24
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We had a celebratory pub lunch today on Exmoor. Full anti-covid measures were still in force and the customers were very happy about it. Our village pub is exactly the same. Boots the Chemists in the local town was also unchanged with spacing, screens, sanitisers etc still in use. I am setting up the first meeting, since March 2020, for a local charity I chair. We usually meet in a pub but there was considerable resistance to the idea so the landlord of the local has agreed to set up tables for us outside and provide table service. Cases in the local authority area far higher than we have ever seen before and, vaccine or no vaccine, people are still being careful. If this trend is reflected throughout the country, perhaps this wave may yet be contained, despite the government rather than because of them.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 18:33
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Starmer self-isolating for the fourth time…

https://order-order.com/2021/07/21/b...elf-isolating/
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 23:47
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For want of something better to do,thought I would post,verbatim,the instructions printed on the packaging of a Chinese -manufactured mask(last paragraph) ;

"Carry this product,Please divide the opposite side,do not wear back,anti-external will stick dust powder,direct contact between mouth and nose will be detrimental to health.Wash the poison once a day,wash it with warm water first,then bot and hot to dry."

Maybe safer not to wear it.

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 04:16
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ming-m5hznk7dv

France scrambles to vaccinate with new wave looming

France is racing against time to vaccinate its population in the face of a fourth wave of Covid-19 driven by a “stratospheric” rise in the Delta variant, the prime minister said yesterday….

New rules took effect yesterday requiring “health passes” showing immunity or a negative test in cinemas, museums, monuments and theme parks. The measure caught out some foreign tourists at sites including the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre.

Despite misgivings from some of Macron’s MPs, parliament began rushing through a law to impose the passes for access to restaurants, cafés, shopping centres, trains and long-distance buses from August 1. In another measure that enjoys strong public support but dissent from unions, all health personnel must be vaccinated by September 15 or face losing their jobs…..

Claire Hédon, the national ombudsman, said the requirement appeared to infringe the basic rights of the French. The health pass “appears to give police powers” to a section of the population responsible for door-keeping, said Hédon, 58, whose state-appointed post is called national defender.

It also risked creating discrimination against the non-vaccinated. There were also “considerable risks of breaching the rights of children” in the inclusion of teenagers below 18 in the obligation to show valid passes, she said.

While 70 per cent of the population supports the vaccination of health workers and 60 per cent are behind the health passes, parties of the far left and far right oppose both of them. The mainstream opposition parties have tabled hundreds of amendments to the new law.

The centre-left Socialists reject the health pass because “half the population will police the other half”. Instead, the party wants compulsory vaccination for all adults by October 1 — an approach that Macron has indicated that he is considering.

Among dissenters in Macron’s party, Pacôme Rupin, 36, a Paris MP, said: “The health pass is going to fracture our country. It’s a major change for our society.” The legislation is expected to pass its final reading next week.

Opponents of what they call “health dictatorship” have called for mass demonstrations this weekend after a turnout of over 100,000 in Paris and other cities on Saturday. The movement is backed by conspiracy theorists and antivaxers as well as libertarian intellectuals who have been inoculated but reject compulsion.

Leaders of the 2018-19 anti-government yellow vest movement have tried to impose themselves as leaders, along with fringe politicians including Florian Philippot, a former deputy to Marine Le Pen, leader of the National Rally, who set up his own party in 2017.

Le Pen opposes the Macron measures as “liberticidal” but she backs vaccination and has distanced herself from the protests for fear of alienating potential voters before the presidential election next April.

The police intelligence service has said that the anti-vaccine revolt risks being taken over by the same radical figures as those who turned the yellow vest movement violent in 2019.

Police are investigating death threats against half a dozen pro-vaccine MPs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-vaccine-pass

I never thought this would happen in France’: day one of showing Covid vaccine pass



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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 06:58
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Mr Mac.....Good morning,
Pleased to say I do have friends. I have succumbed to Govt propaganda and subjected myself to the AZ vaccine. Did I need it..??
I am honestly not sure. I do defend other people's right to choose not to be vaccinated....their life, their choice. How can MrMac or
Planemike know their reasons.... Grow up...??? 76...need I say more???
Their choice? Not really.

https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-s...-patients.html

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 06:58
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Le Pen opposes the Macron measures as “liberticidal” but she backs vaccination and has distanced herself from the protests for fear of alienating potential voters before the presidential election next April.
Bit of a U turn there, because not that long ago she was decidedly ambivalent about the matter, freedom of choice etc….

She’s not quite as much of a right wing head banger as her former deputy (Philippot) and I’m sure the article is right - she is now backing vaccination because she has sensed which way popular opinion is going - as mentioned in the article…

So it’s yet another case of a politician seeing which way the public want to go and rushing to the front of the crowd shouting “follow me”…..now who does that remind me of?

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 07:27
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What are the legal consequences of ignoring a "ping"?

A straight question put to Kwasi Kwarteng by Naga Munchetty on BBC Breakfast this morning. Would he answer it? Of course not! He kept on banging on about "the rules" but of course rules are enforceable by law, guidance is not. The answer to Munchetty's question was a simple one word one: "none", but would the minister give that answer?

Munchetty should really have told him the answer, then go on to ask him why he simply couldn't be honest with the public (leaving aside he's a politician and honesty isn't necessarily a qualification for the job).

This deliberate blurring of the facts between what is law (and must be followed - e.g. a call from NHS Track and Trace) and guidance (a ping from the NHS covid app) just leads to confusion among the public. Whatever your stance on whether you personally would comply with, or disregard a "ping", clarity and honesty from government is paramount and sadly lacking.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 08:02
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Wiggy, it’s French tradition from the Revolution. Ostensibly said as a mob rushed past the window whilst he was chairing a meeting….

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 08:36
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For those contributors whose grasp of reality is either tenuous or non existent.

Staffordshire surgery delayed due to Covid numbers and isolating - BBC News
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 08:56
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/156550...atients-dying/

Doctor reveals young and unvaccinated Covid patients are begging her for jab on death bed – but she says ‘it’s too late’

A doctor has described how young and unvaccinated Covid-19 patients "beg" for the vaccine as they're dying - but she noted at that point, "it's too late" for them.

In an emotional Facebook post on Sunday, Dr Brytney Cobia shared the harrowing experience of treating people who fatally refused to get the coronavirus shot.

"I'm admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious Covid infections," the Alabama medic wrote. "One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late. A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members.

"I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same. They cry. And they tell me they didn't know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn't get as sick.

"They thought it was 'just the flu'. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can't. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine.

"And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives."

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:04
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https://www.skysports.com/rugby-leag...virus-concerns

Australia and New Zealand withdraw from Rugby League World Cup due to coronavirus concerns
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:07
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Doctor reveals young and unvaccinated Covid patients are begging her for jab on death bed – but she says ‘it’s too late’
Better covered in #16535 which links to the source article rather than the Sun requote
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:27
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A list of jobs to be exempt from self - isolation rules is set to be announced today.

How bloody irresponsible. Absolutely no one one should be exempt from quarantine. Covid isn’t selective over who is at greater risk of being a carrier. No one is less infectious because of the job they do. We’re all in this together. It’s either dangerous or it’s not and if there are different and softer rules fo some than others, it sends a message that maybe it’s isn’t quite as bad as implied. It doesn’t matter if we’re short of food, staff or even medics, this thing has to be stopped over everything else. Whilst there are people out there not self isolating, whoever they are, Covid is ripping through our society indiscriminately.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:30
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Better covered in #16535 which links to the source article rather than the Sun requote
Makes it sound like there are thousands of them.....there won't be. Also have to mention "co-morbidities" It is all part of the propaganda war being waged on unsuspecting public......
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:37
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How bloody irresponsible. Absolutely no one one should be exempt from quarantine. Covid isn’t selective over who is at greater risk of being a carrier.
There have always been thousands of exceptions - from cross channel lorry drivers to Border Protection staff, aircrew etc etc.

Excepting essential distribution drivers doesn’t seem that different….
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:43
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Whilst there are people out there not self isolating, whoever they are, Covid is ripping through our society indiscriminately.
The damage we are bringing on ourselves through damage to the economy and fabric of society far greater than that caused by a virus. That damage will remain long after the virus has subsided....... Children are being affected when they don't need to be and they will be left a financial legacy lasting decades...
People need to work and we need the services provided by their efforts and labour. Living in "bunkers" is not a long term solution to the situation....
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
The damage we are bringing on ourselves through damage to the economy and fabric of society far greater than that caused by a virus. That damage will remain long after the virus has subsided.......
People need to work and we need the services provided by their efforts and labour. Living in "bunkers" is not a long term solution to the situation....
No. you’re wrong. Covid trumps absolutely everything. We can’t think about the future. We have to stop it now. Nothing else matters. We have to save everyone. As long as there’s is selfish, irresponsible people thinking life goes on, we are all in danger.
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