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Old 15th Jun 2021, 08:14
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I may have missed this but if there are 5000 new cases in a day is there any indication how many of those cases have been vaccinated?
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 08:27
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Originally Posted by Mike6567 View Post
I may have missed this but if there are 5000 new cases in a day is there any indication how many of those cases have been vaccinated?
That, and of the daily new cases in UK, now running at 7,500 to 8,000, how many were asymptomatic or just has a minor snuffle that victims disregarded as season allergy of a summer cold? There has been an undeniable uptick in new case rates across the whole UK, but one wonder what proportion have been identified through surge testing in targeted areas. In other words, what would UK figures be like if it weren't for the surge testing in the Northwest among other hot spots?

BBC were reporting yesterday that research now shows that snuffles are a primary symptom of the Delta variant of Covid-19. I for one am not going to run off to the testing centre every time I sneeze, and if snuffles are added to the list of primary symptoms most nurseries and primary schools will have most of their children off waiting PCR tests!
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 08:33
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Originally Posted by Mike6567 View Post
I may have missed this but if there are 5000 new cases in a day is there any indication how many of those cases have been vaccinated?
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 08:47
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Just what I needed. Thanks
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 08:58
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
BBC were reporting yesterday that research now shows that snuffles are a primary symptom of the Delta variant of Covid-19. I for one am not going to run off to the testing centre every time I sneeze, and if snuffles are added to the list of primary symptoms most nurseries and primary schools will have most of their children off waiting PCR tests!
Yup, my hayfever is at its worst around now and a one-a-day tablet doesn't always cut the mustard - coughing like a [email protected]@rd on the way to Tesco yesterday morning, by the time I got home, no problem. Snuffly nose and runny eyes this morning while I was walking up to the pub for brekkers. Everything kushti now. Given people's tendency to describe a bit of a cold as flu...
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 09:05
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Did we change from Indian variant to Delta in fear of offending.
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 09:10
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Did we change from Indian variant to Delta in fear of offending.
Who is “we”? The WHO did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-57308592
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 09:13
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Thanks ORAC. Half thought our Asian friends were going on the offensive.
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 09:54
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In fairness didn't we get twitchy when Johnny Foreigner went on about the 'Kent' variant?
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 10:51
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In fairness didn't we get twitchy when Johnny Foreigner went on about the 'Kent' variant?
Didn't Kent get twitchy when the domestic media referred to the variant as such, and the British likewise when the rest of the world called it the English / British variant?
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 11:13
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I never noticed any “twitchiness” about using the term Kent variant in either the UK broadsheet or tabloid press.

The government seems to have been careful to use the formal numbering system, even since the Greek letter system was introduced. Perhaps because they are tracking so many which don’t become variants of interest or concern and therefore don’t attract another name and thus to preserve continuity in records.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-uk-scientist
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 11:25
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
even since the Greek letter system was introduced.
I'm surprised the Greeks haven't protested...
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 12:01
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I see the SAGE Medical Boffins' Job Protection Scheme are now dripping more poison into Johnson's shell like, warning that we could see hundreds of deaths per day again if he unlocks on 19 July! This according to Graham Medley, a member of, you've guessed, the SAGE committee. I have a question for Professor Melody, what does he suggest we do now? To avoid a permanent dystopia where we're all routing through Bins for scraps and looking like Worzel Gummidge??? Because, by Christ this fellah better be sure of his predictions. They've opened up across some US States and they're seeing no difference in Hospitalization and Mortality than those who remain locked down tight as the proverbial drum. Admittedly, I don't think they've got the "Delta" variant like what we have. Boris has blundered a chance too far this time.

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Old 15th Jun 2021, 13:25
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We are being ""CONNED"....big time, by the politicians and "spoof" scientists. They have deluded themselves into thinking they are going to eliminate death: that is not going to happen. They have tasted control and are now firmly addicted to it....
I do not understand why so much of the British public are willing to be drawn in and go along with it.
I am 76 and want my life to return to normal so I can choose to live my last years the way I choose not the way those
running the "nanny stat" try to dictate. No "face nappies" for me...!!

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Old 15th Jun 2021, 14:00
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
We are being ""CONNED"....big time, by the politicians and "spoof" scientists. They have deluded themselves into thinking they are going to eliminate death: that is not going to happen. They have tasted control and are now firmly addicted to it....
I do not understand why so much of the British public are willing to be drawn in and go along with it.
I am 76 and want my life to return to normal so I can choose to live my last years the way I choose not the way those
running the "nanny stat" try to dictate. No "face nappies" for me...!!
Hear Hear Planemike,

Either you're spot on, or there is something deeply worrying going on?!?!?!?

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Old 15th Jun 2021, 14:11
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We are being ""CONNED"....big time,
What scares me the most is that there are people out there that actually believe the UK government will lift restrictions on July 19th!
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 14:27
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What scares me the most is that there are people out there that actually believe the UK government will lift restrictions on July 19th!
Dream on....people!! I am totally staggered by the faith and trust that the majority of the British public put in these people.
To me they are not to be trusted. Having used this outbreak of 'flu to suspend democracy, they will use other excuses to
continue that suspension. Johnson tries to give the impression he is a defender of democracy. Little signs of it.
There are one of two back benchers who do try stand out..... Sir Charles Walker, Graham Brady. Desmond Swain.....
pity there are not many more....!!!
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 14:30
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Another row brewing on the selective use of charts by Whitty and Vallance at yesterday’s briefing…..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-dont-show-us/

Fear over freedom: Here's what the doom-laden government graphs didn't show us

By Henry Bodkin, HEALTH AND SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT and Alex Clark, DATA PROJECTS EDITOR



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Old 15th Jun 2021, 14:33
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What scares me the most is that there are people out there that actually believe the UK government will lift restrictions on July 19th!
The problem is that we in western society, and so far as I can see particularly in the UK have become very risk averse. We have a mantra that "one premature death is one too many". Now we know that between 7,000 - 20,000 people per year can die from influenza in a UK season it wouldn't in the least surprise me if there was a clamour from sections of the public, not to mention our new friends virologists and epidemiologists, to put in restrictions were there to be a particularly bad flu season forecast, and having been softened up by the media's egging up of frightening stories about Covid-19 it would be all to easy for government to do, certainly a deal easier for them to sell that it might have been pre-covid. Complete overkill, but mindsets have changed amongst people; some are still hiding behind curtains, and are scared to go out.

That's not to say that simple precautions such as mandatory mask wearing on public transport might not be a good thing. It probably would be from a public health perspective. Perhaps we may also see continued use of sanitiser at entrances to shops, to clean trolley handles, small changes to normal lifestyle such as these could drastically reduce incidences of viral illness, reduce healthcare costs, and number of people in hospitals, and might assist the NHS in getting down the horrendous level of people waiting for hospital treatment (can it really be that nearly 10% of the UK population is now on a waiting list with the NHS???).
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 14:36
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This is another big part of the problem...... We are only being shown/indoctrinated with the Government's propaganda.
No effort is made by the media to show the counter arguments..... The media seem to be in on the Government's act....
While the Government is able to bribe people with borrowed money, people will go along with it. What will happen when the day comes which surely it will, when people have to go out and a find job that pays real wages derived from real profits...
Hmmm....that leaves out nurses and teachers for a start.....!!

ATNotts Things like wearing masks/face nappies and putting "slop" on your hands before entering a shop should
not be "mandatory". If some folk choose to do that, that is their choice. Do not inflict it on me and others like me who think it is all pretty unnecessary.... Who are the beneficiaries?? Guess who.....the manufacturers and vendors of these products??
Talking of reducing health care costs, leads me to look at those who are grossly over weight / morbidly obese. Wonder how many of them will decide to shed the odd 5 - 10 kgs here and there to help with a reduction in said health care costs......??

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