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Old 3rd May 2021, 04:08
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As I have mentioned on another thread, it is an appalling mis-use of power to send the entire population of an apartment tower block into incarceration in a very basic refugee camp for three weeks because one person in the block tested positive for a COVID virus.

With use of the elevator and the rubbish chute I estimate I spend around three minutes a day in the public areas of our block, masked, and never share a lift. What are the chances of meeting, let alone catching something from one resident? Totally irrational.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 06:49
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So the APPG on Coronavirus are reporting this morning that the UK shouldn't reopen international leisure travel on May 17th and we should all come back in August and try again, because of the threat of variants... If we continue to take this stance, the world will never reopen as the threat of variants will always be there especially in the third world.

The UK will pass 50 million vaccinations today - 75 doses for every 100 of the population. By May 17th, this will likely rise to around 85 per 100, the majority of which are with the AZ and Pfizer vaccines.

People have been split from their families across border for too long with these draconian rules. And frankly, people also deserve to have the choice to take a foreign holiday, many of which wouldn't have had one for 2 years now. The travel industry supporters millions of jobs both at home and abroad and these companies are on their knees.

I would support a risk based approach to reopening international travel. Clearly the likes of India and Brazil should be off limits at all costs for now. But countries that meet the following tests should be supported:
(1) Decent vaccination rates
(2) Health systems that are not under considerable stress
(3) Without dominant strains that substantially reduce the effectiveness of vaccines.

Evidence is getting stronger on transmission - it is significantly reduced for those vaccinated and two fully vaccinated people meeting up are 'incredibly safe' per JVT's presser last week. On item (3), we can see for ourselves that the vaccines are effective against the B117 variant which is dominant across most of Europe. The B1351 and P1 variants are not massively prevalent in Europe with the exception of France, Italy, Belgium and Luxembourg. It is not dominant at all in popular UK tourist hotspots. Based on this, in my opinion there is no justification for the closure of air routes to places like Spain and Portugal.

That said, there is an air of inevitability here. Variants are already in the UK - the country, even with their level of testing does not genomically test every single swab. This is where test and trace comes in.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 19:48
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Originally Posted by anxiao View Post
As I have mentioned on another thread, it is an appalling mis-use of power to send the entire population of an apartment tower block into incarceration in a very basic refugee camp for three weeks because one person in the block tested positive for a COVID virus.

With use of the elevator and the rubbish chute I estimate I spend around three minutes a day in the public areas of our block, masked, and never share a lift. What are the chances of meeting, let alone catching something from one resident? Totally irrational.
Depending on the building, there is some risk that contaminated air could circulate between the apartments:

https://english.elpais.com/science_t...o-another.html
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Old 4th May 2021, 13:28
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Thanks Mike, that certainly happened with SARS. In the 1960s buildings that were constructed for Government housing they did not even have P traps on the foul water effluent. Since then they (should) have been all modified and modern building standards since then have to adhere to better international standards.

You still need to be reminded by the HK Health Department to fill up the grey water (kitchen and bathroom floor drains) P traps with fresh water every week, which shows that common sense is not that common. As far as I know there has been no provable transmission in Hong Kong through drainage pipes. It is sometimes mentioned as a possible cause when there is no contact evidence, but as you know contact evidence after the first level is highly subjective.

As an example a full page Government advertisement in the newspaper on Sunday gave a list of places such as restaurants and supermarkets which a contact had visited, and demanded under legal threat that all persons that had visited these places at that time must appear for testing. The dates were around three weeks ago. At my age I cannot even remember where I was last night, let alone if I went to a supermarket three weeks ago. The test and trace here is broken.



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Old 5th May 2021, 02:37
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FCDO seem to have published (partly) the UK's green list ahead of time.
Israel, Iceland, Malta, Portugal (not the Azores) and Gibraltar all appear, along with Canary Islands and a few Greek Islands. Barbados and Cuba are on the list as well. Not the USA. Oz + NZ also on the list, although their borders are very nearly closed

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b1841702.html
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Old 5th May 2021, 05:00
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...nter-jhpj57g0d

Third Covid vaccine for over-50s before winter

A third jab is to be offered to everyone over 50 in the autumn in an attempt to eradicate the threat from Covid-19 entirely by Christmas, The Times has been told.

Trials of two options are under way, supervised by Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer for England. The first involves vaccines specifically modified to tackle new variants. The second is for a third shot of one of the three versions already in use: Pfizer-BioNTech, Oxford-AstraZeneca or Moderna.....

The Times has been told that early findings from the trials have raised government hopes that the two approaches will be able to nullify any threat from new and existing variants.

It is also thought that it will only be necessary to give a third jab to the over-50s and those with underlying health conditions, who are at higher risk. One way of delivering the booster would be at the same time as the annual flu jab, but in the other arm.

A senior government minister said: “We will have a lot to say about the booster programme soon. It’s looking really positive so far.

“We think that the level of protection in the population to any variant will be so high that by Christmas, Covid-19 should have just faded away into the background like any other illness in circulation. So much so that we don’t think there will be any need to give a booster shot to younger people because transmission will have got so low.”....

With an expected vaccination rate of three million doses a week with expanded supply in the autumn, the booster programme is expected to take 11 weeks to revaccinate all 32 million over-50s and vulnerable people. If it begins in September, it will finish by the start of December.

The two methods of booster shots are being evaluated at present to establish which has the best results, but could be rolled out simultaneously if they are judged to be equally effective.

Scientists studying the use of a third unmodified jab are working on the principle that it gives recipients a massive amount of new antibodies that are strong enough to stop infection from new variants. It has been established that the third shot of a regular vaccine is stronger if it is a different make from the previous two a recipient received. A recipient with two doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca jab would therefore be given a Pfizer-BioNTech dose.

The department of health last week announced it had bought an extra 60 million Pfizer doses, many of which are intended to be used as third booster shots.

Vaccine manufacturers, including AstraZeneca, are also developing modified versions of their product to tackle new variants.....

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Old 5th May 2021, 08:42
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Sky news reporting this morning that 2 members of the Indian delegation invited to the UK G7 summit have tested positive for Covid 19........
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Old 6th May 2021, 05:54
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Still waiting on my second jab, first was on 11 Feb via gp surgery. Wonder if the whole gp model isn't broken and need a rehash of health delivery services. Blair's 2003 contract rewrite looks like a step backwards.
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Old 6th May 2021, 07:05
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Have you contacted them: When I phoned on behalf of my father they apologised and gave an appointment the next day.
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Old 6th May 2021, 07:09
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Still waiting on my second jab, first was on 11 Feb via gp surgery. Wonder if the whole gp model isn't broken and need a rehash of health delivery services. Blair's 2003 contract rewrite looks like a step backwards.
Could you not book the second jab online yourself? When my turn came both my GP contacted me as well as the NHS. I did everything through the NHS online service booking both appointments at the same time.
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Old 6th May 2021, 07:29
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ants-in-trials

Tweaked Moderna vaccine ‘neutralises Covid variants in trials

The first “tweaked” vaccine against the worrying coronavirus variants that emerged in South Africa and Brazil has successfully neutralised them in laboratory trials, the US company Moderna has said.

The results of the small trial suggest that boosters against the variants will be feasible and could be rolled out this year to counter the threat from variants that have appeared around the world and are feared in some cases to be more transmissible or partially vaccine-resistant.

Leading companies have been racing to produce adapted versions of their Covid vaccines. Pfizer/BioNTech, which has a similar mRNA vaccine to Moderna’s, and Oxford/AstraZeneca are also in the process of developing tweaked vaccines against the South African variant, B1351, and the Brazilian variant, P1, which appear to be the major threat to current immunisation programmes.......

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-israel-study

Two Pfizer Covid vaccine doses give over 95% protection, shows Israel study

Two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine have proved more than 95% effective against infection, hospitalisation and death from Covid-19 in Israel, the country with the highest proportion of its population vaccinated in the world, research has found.

One shot of the vaccine was partially effective, offering 58% protection against infection, 76% against hospitalisation, and 77% against death. The authors of the observational study in the Lancet medical journal say this shows the importance of having the second shot.....

Israel has used only the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which the company supplied on the understanding that data from the vaccination programme would be published to demonstrate its real-world efficacy......
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Old 6th May 2021, 07:36
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Originally Posted by Crosswind Limits View Post
Could you not book the second jab online yourself? When my turn came both my GP contacted me as well as the NHS. I did everything through the NHS online service booking both appointments at the same time.
Hi. No, tried that, site told me I couldn't do it on line.
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Old 6th May 2021, 07:39
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
Still waiting on my second jab, first was on 11 Feb via gp surgery. Wonder if the whole gp model isn't broken and need a rehash of health delivery services. Blair's 2003 contract rewrite looks like a step backwards.
Anecdotally, people appear to be able to get their second vaccination by simply phoning the GP practise. I have come across several people who have not been reconducted and have done this. You're right on the 12 week mark now so I would suggest not waiting for them to contact you!
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Old 6th May 2021, 07:44
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Anecdotally, people appear to be able to get their second vaccination by simply phoning the GP practise. I have come across several people who have not been reconducted and have done this. You're right on the 12 week mark now so I would suggest not waiting for them to contact you!
ive been reluctant to do that but yep I think I better. Chances of talking to a human being not high. I'll report back.
edit: cheers AT. Second shot booked for 1:30 today via GP. Bit odd but...

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Old 6th May 2021, 08:59
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
ive been reluctant to do that but yep I think I better. Chances of talking to a human being not high. I'll report back.
edit: cheers AT. Second shot booked for 1:30 today via GP. Bit odd but...
Glad you got it sorted, my service has been excellent, first jab I got a text message on my phone to book it did through the text, that then allowed it to bring up maps showing me where to go and linked to navigate there.
I did get another later saying as I missed the first would I rebook, phoned surgery and pointed out I had had it, second Jab text same format, click on link, choose day and time to suit and book. Faultless system from start to finish and excellent staff carrying out the work.
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Old 6th May 2021, 09:09
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Sky news reporting this morning that 2 members of the Indian delegation invited to the UK G7 summit have tested positive for Covid 19........
One would have assumed they would have needed at least a negative test before being let into the country? I guess we let them off this, dare we offend them during our pursuit for a trade deal.
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Old 6th May 2021, 10:52
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One would have assumed they would have needed at least a negative test before being let into the country? I guess we let them off this, dare we offend them during our pursuit for a trade deal.
They very well may have had the negative test result. It’s within 72 hours. So get infected, then 2 days later take a test for a flight in 3 days time (you will still show negative, as the virus takes time to show a positive reaction) negative results board a flight 3 days later. Arrive the next day and take a test once here and it is positive. 6 days after infection.

The negative PCR tests are pretty pointless as they will do nothing to stop or identify those who get infected up to a week BEFORE a flight.
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Old 6th May 2021, 11:19
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
They very well may have had the negative test result. It’s within 72 hours. So get infected, then 2 days later take a test for a flight in 3 days time (you will still show negative, as the virus takes time to show a positive reaction) negative results board a flight 3 days later. Arrive the next day and take a test once here and it is positive. 6 days after infection.

The negative PCR tests are pretty pointless as they will do nothing to stop or identify those who get infected up to a week BEFORE a flight.
Having read the guidance diplomatic missions do need to test before arrival but don’t need to fill
out the locator form or self isolate. Except if they come from a red list country where they must self isolate for 10 days but don’t have to do so in a hotel. It seems the Indian delegation was not required to self isolate as per government guidance. I guess the rule was bent for the Indian delegation. I’m guessing if they did have to self isolate they wouldn’t have bothered coming.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vel-exemptions


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Old 6th May 2021, 11:32
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Quick chat with a friend of mine this morning who has coeliac - summoned for his first jab nearly three months ago, not a peep so far about the second - in the light of Mr Optimistic's experience, just texted him to say "call them!"
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Old 6th May 2021, 12:11
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Checked on my wife’s 2nd vaccination this morning by ringing 119. Got through and all sorted within 5 minutes.
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