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Old 15th Jan 2021, 14:30
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Meanwhile......
Intensive care patients transferred from London to Newcastle
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england


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Old 15th Jan 2021, 15:04
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
And still not a drop in Crowborough or Heathfield for that matter.
My spies in the community inform me that they are starting tonight tommorrow duff gen, informant court-martialled.

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Old 15th Jan 2021, 15:32
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SpringHeeledJack;10967916]," but on the personal rights and so on it seems a step towards discrimination."


Well, let's roll out that good old discrimination and leave the anti-vaxxers together in their mental ghetto.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 15:45
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Rural France... My husband is 85 years old and i managed to book his two vaccinations today. First one on Feb 3rd, second one exactly a month later. 65 km from home, and for the second one it's 08:30. He doesn't drive so that's me on duty early. No idea when I will be able to get mine, 20 years younger. Not at all sure why partners aren't considered for vaccination at the same time, It would seem to make logistical sense, but when did that ever worry a government?
The Web site interface was dire, but the dedicated phone line just went to engaged tone immediately. Hmmm. P*ss up, brewery, and couldn't organise spring to mind.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 16:44
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President of the EU Commission has just said that the supplies of the Pfizer vaccine may be delayed because of construction work at the factory.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 16:52
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Congratulations to our leaders.

Congratulations today to our British Government and to our amazing NHS for vaccinating over three million people in the UK,
more than........ France Germany Spain and Italy put together. Yes Sir.
What an achievement. Very well done.
Fair winds all.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 16:58
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I am not sure about offering congrats to the Govt quite does it.

Congrats to those that have done it.............despite the politicians.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 17:11
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
grotty

I am not sure about offering congrats to the Govt quite does it.

Congrats to those that have done it.............despite the politicians.
And the bureaucrats that have slowed things down
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 17:23
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Originally Posted by grottyyottie View Post
Congratulations today to our British Government and to our amazing NHS for vaccinating over three million people in the UK,
more than........ France Germany Spain and Italy put together. Yes Sir.
What an achievement. Very well done.
Fair winds all.
grottyyottie

Try telling Rural Wales this good news, we are being thrown to the dogs, I dont know a single person that has even had the letter ,yet I know 5 who have caught the Virus.
I bet that prick Drakeford and all his cronies have had both shots
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 17:55
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Originally Posted by grottyyottie View Post
Congratulations today to our British Government and to our amazing NHS for vaccinating over three million people in the UK,
more than........ France Germany Spain and Italy put together. Yes Sir.
What an achievement. Very well done.
Fair winds all.
grottyyottie
Well first, using an oxymoron as you have (Leaders and British Government ) is always a sign that you have decided to be a shade selective, or, are completely at sea as the expression goes, when it comes to reality.

You seem to have missed their "achievements " when it comes to say, mortality rates for example, or their generous distribution of tax payers money, or how many of the UK population now face indefinite and unquantifiable waits for a variety of medical conditions and treatments.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 18:09
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Looks like you may win the race to vaccination.
Our (12,000 roll) surgery has been promised 100 doses for next week and has now called the lucky few. Neither FType nor I have received an invitation.
Doses here seem to be sent out at fortnightly intervals.

PS NHS daughter is still working towards qualification as a volunteer. She travelled from Kendal to Carlisle today to attend a face to face course along with a nurse and a surgeon, which is apparently part of the required procedure.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 18:18
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Buying and selling houses in the current lockdown seems to be a cause of infection spread, with viewers traipsing around sellers houses. Surely the housing market should be shutdown?
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 18:36
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Originally Posted by 57mm View Post
Buying and selling houses in the current lockdown seems to be a cause of infection spread, with viewers traipsing around sellers houses. Surely the housing market should be shutdown?
There is a loophole apparently whereby you are allowed to stay overnight in an area in order to view property not local to you. Cornish estate agents have reported a rush of people booking a number of viewings over a few days, then cancelling at the last minute. Not hard to work out what thatís all about!

Fundamentally the government are being disingenuous in claiming we are in lockdown when far more stuff is open than in lockdown 1. And if stuff is open people will go out to use it (and arenít necessarily breaking any guidelines in doing so). In the original lockdown they were happy to show graphs from Apple which showed the dramatic reduction in movement, unsurprisingly they arenít doing that now. And yet they blame us and not their own actions for infection rates not slowing as quickly as theyíd like.

They reportedly are planning to start running adverts saying that going for a coffee can kill. And yet they donít close coffee shops etc, even for takeaway. If they have decided to keep more businesses open in order to reduce the costs of furlough, or to try and reduce the hit to the economy, OK, thatís an option that can be argued. But trying to do it on the quiet in the hope no one will notice is sailing past incompetence into the more choppy waters of criminal negligence.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 18:36
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Re: vaccination hubs. Just checked the situation locally, and they've been vaccinating people at Salisbury District Hospital since 30th December, and the nearest vaccination hub to us, in Wilton (about 8 or 9 miles away) has been running since 7th January. AFAICS, the system seems to be running as well as can be expected. My mother in law (whose in her mid-80s) was vaccinated last week, and told me that the process was very slick, but depended very much on the amount of space available. She had to sit on a (socially distanced) chair for fifteen minutes before being let out, and her view was that this is what was determining throughput, as it was "one out, one in". Reasonably locally (~25 miles away) I see they've set up another vaccination hub in the leisure centre at Tidworth, there's a photo of that in the Salisbury Journal, showing lots of spaced out seating, presumably because of the need to monitor people for an adverse reaction.

FWIW, I had to dig around a bit to find out where vaccinations were taking place, and the BBC News site was singularly unhelpful, with no mention at all of the local situation, even in what passes for their local news section. The best source of information was the local papers, or rather their websites.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 18:38
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
There is a loophole apparently whereby you are allowed to stay overnight in an area in order to view property not local to you. Cornish estate agents have reported a rush of people booking a number of viewings over a few days, then cancelling at the last minute. Not hard to work out what thatís all about!

Fundamentally the government are being disingenuous in claiming we are in lockdown when far more stuff is open than in lockdown 1. And if stuff is open people will go out to use it (and arenít necessarily breaking any guidelines in doing so). In the original lockdown they were happy to show graphs from Apple which showed the dramatic reduction in movement, unsurprisingly they arenít doing that now. And yet they blame us and not their own actions for infection rates not slowing as quickly as theyíd like.

They reportedly are planning to start running adverts saying that going for a coffee can kill. And yet they donít close coffee shops etc, even for takeaway. If they have decided to keep more businesses open in order to reduce the costs of furlough, or to try and reduce the hit to the economy, OK, thatís an option that can be argued. But trying to do it on the quiet in the hope no one will notice is sailing past incompetence into the more choppy waters of criminal negligence.
I popped in to our local pub earlier, to collect out Friday takeaway. When I arrived, the landlady was on the phone, taking a booking for accommodation for four people next week. My understanding was that hotels and B&Bs were supposed to be closed, but that seems not to be the case.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 18:57
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This seems a bit of an unexpected finding: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55681051
A potential treatment for Covid using blood plasma does not reduce deaths among hospital patients, trials show.

The results are a blow to researchers and the NHS, which led the drive to collect plasma donations.

This arm of the Recovery trial, which is investigating a number of promising Covid treatments, has now been closed.

The Oxford researchers involved say they are "incredibly grateful" for the contribution of patients across the country.

Donations of plasma have been temporarily suspended, according to NHS Blood and Transplant.

There had been huge international interest in the role of convalescent plasma as a possible treatment for hospital patients with Covid-19.

The treatment involves blood plasma being taken from people who have recovered from the disease - which contains antibodies to coronavirus - and transfused into seriously ill patients.

It was hoped the plasma donation would give the recipient's struggling immune system a boost to fight off Covid.

The NHS had been urging people to donate, particularly men who are thought to have higher levels of antibodies in their blood.

But early analysis of 1,873 deaths in a study of 10,400 UK patients shows the treatment made "no significant difference".

In the group treated with convalescent plasma, 18% of patients died within 28 days - the same figure for the group given standard treatment.

Patients in the study are still being followed up and the final results will be published shortly.

Earlier this week, a separate study showed no evidence that the same treatment improved outcomes for patients in intensive care.

Martin Landray, chief investigator and professor of medicine and epidemiology at the Nuffield Department of Population Health, University of Oxford, said the Recovery trial showed "the value of large randomised trials to properly assess the role of potential treatments".

The trial is still investigating other treatments, including tocilizumab, aspirin and an antibody cocktail.

Prof Peter Horby, who also worked on the trial, said the largest ever trial of convalescent plasma "was only possible thanks to the generous donation of plasma by recovered patients and the willingness of current patients to contribute to advancing medical care".

"While the overall result is negative, we need to await the full results before we can understand whether convalescent plasma has any role in particular patient sub-groups," he said.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 19:20
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Originally Posted by grottyyottie View Post
Congratulations today to our British Government and to our amazing NHS for vaccinating over three million people in the UK,
more than........ France Germany Spain and Italy put together. Yes Sir.
What an achievement. Very well done.
Fair winds all.
grottyyottie
Agree to the latter organisation, that are doing so. Boris is still a buffoon. I don't really care what the rest of Europe are doing, but as it cheers your extreme nationalistic chanting, sing it to yourself. NHS is mostly foreign staff due to home lack of investment in training. Ask my daughters whom have medical degrees and huge debts to pay off due to our dire Government.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 19:22
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I popped in to our local pub earlier, to collect out Friday takeaway. When I arrived, the landlady was on the phone, taking a booking for accommodation for four people next week. My understanding was that hotels and B&Bs were supposed to be closed, but that seems not to be the case.
Tell the local constabulary. Sure they will be interested to check out these people. Shop them will stop them.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 19:30
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Hotels and B&Bs may only legally remain open for specific reasons including to accommodate people who are self-isolating, those who live in the hotel or B&B or those who are moving house.

Hotels can also remain open to house people who would otherwise become homeless during lockdown.(e.g. where there has been a house fire, flooding etc)


You are allowed to stay overnight away from your home if you:
  • are visiting your support bubble
  • are unable to return to your main residence
  • need accommodation while moving house
  • need accommodation to attend a funeral or related commemorative event
  • require accommodation for work purposes or to provide voluntary services
  • are a child requiring accommodation for school or care
  • are homeless, seeking asylum, a vulnerable person seeking refuge, or if escaping harm (including domestic abuse)
  • are an elite athlete or their support staff or parent, if the athlete is under 18 and it is necessary to be outside of the home for training or competition
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 19:31
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Could be the 'on business' loophole
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