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Old 14th Jan 2021, 18:15
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With the publicity over long awaited operations, why is it not possible for the Private Hospitals to be used? Are they now all Covid too?
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 18:17
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London's favorite and definitely most expensive plumbing firm is rewriting employment contracts to insist that their staff have the immunisation for Covid, otherwise they'll likely be let go. On the one hand it makes sense, but on the personal rights and so on it seems a step towards discrimination.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55654229
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 18:22
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Originally Posted by BusyB View Post
With the publicity over long awaited operations, why is it not possible for the Private Hospitals to be used? Are they now all Covid too?
They already are when it comes to routine treatment. Plus it's a bit difficult for consultants / surgeons to be in two places at once.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 18:23
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I think I mentioned this some weeks ago when there was discussion of making vaccination compulsory. No employer in this litigious day and age is going to risk having a refusenik employee infecting other members of staff or their clients and customers.

And as I can hear you saying if every one else in the office is vaccinated its not going to be a problem........ let's hope you are right.

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Old 14th Jan 2021, 18:52
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With the publicity over long awaited operations, why is it not possible for the Private Hospitals to be used? Are they now all Covid too?
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/ex...029276.article

Exclusive: Medical leaders seek to ‘shame’ private hospitals and their staff into supporting NHS
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 20:33
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SHJ,I remember watching a TV documentary maybe 20 years ago about Pimlico Plumbing.As a pretty-well paid professional in aviation,the earnings claimed by some of the plumbers seemed quite eye-watering to me.

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Old 14th Jan 2021, 21:27
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
SHJ,I remember watching a TV documentary maybe 20 years ago about Pimlico Plumbing.As a pretty-well paid professional in aviation,the earnings claimed by some of the plumbers seemed quite eye-watering to me.
Most plumbers are rip off merchants. Gas and Electricity one cannot do now unless Gas Save or latest edition (17?). I love copper and have rerouted loads of it in my hose and fitted radiators in rooms that had no heating. Yes I use the pre soldered yorkshire stuff, but it still needs the wire wool, the flux and a little extra solder. The gas save and edition 17 courses are not cheap, but compared to LAEs, a lot of them are idiots, including the saffer British Gas bloke that comes to service my boiler. Back on topic mind, any tradesman dealing with Joe public and not had Covid should consider having a jab. I will be when i get the chance. Had the NHS flu freebie letter today, best get down to the local pharmacy.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 08:58
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Once again Nasty communist Cuba leads the world in healthcare for its peoples, the figures are orderS of magnitude better than that beacon of democracy just a few miles to the west and of course all of us across the pond
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 09:23
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POLITICO:

NHS England has selected Asda to become the first supermarket to provide in-store coronavirus vaccinations starting on January 25. Its vaccination center will operate from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m., seven days a week. Other Asda sites are being assessed and could join the program.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 10:18
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Not a single person in my area has received the vaccination yet. Our "village" of 6,000 is supposed to get some for the over-80s tomorrow. In a hospital 10 miles away.
How many will get run over on their walk there?
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 10:29
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WB; Your office of banning "refuseniks" might be more dangerous for bumping into eachother because so many blind will have been led by the short-sighted. Clear vision required by all sides and immunity to the virus by having a vax has not been proved. Still to be proved but more attractive is the notion that Track & trace will be a synch.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Landflap View Post
WB; Your office of banning "refuseniks" might be more dangerous for bumping into eachother because so many blind will have been led by the short-sighted. Clear vision required by all sides and immunity to the virus by having a vax has not been proved. Still to be proved but more attractive is the notion that Track & trace will be a synch.
This is false. Trials data from all of the vaccines approved so far prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that all of them provide immunity. The usual acceptance level for approval of any vaccine in the UK is that it provides immunity to at least 50% of those vaccinated. The better vaccines approved so far provide immunity to over 90% of those vaccinated.

By all means believe what you wish, but I don't feel that spreading patently false information in order to support a point of view is acceptable.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 10:56
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This is false. Trials data from all of the vaccines approved so far prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that all of them provide immunity. The usual acceptance level for approval of any vaccine in the UK is that it provides immunity to at least 50% of those vaccinated. The better vaccines approved so far provide immunity to over 90% of those vaccinated.

By all means believe what you wish, but I don't feel that spreading patently false information in order to support a point of view is acceptable.
I though limited protection was proved which is different to immunity...but you're the expert
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 11:06
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I though limited protection was proved which is different to immunity...but you're the expert
The data show that over 90% of people vaccinated with some of the approved vaccines have acquired immunity to disease. I think some may be confusing the way the percentage effectiveness number is interpreted. It isn't that a vaccine gives a vaccinated person 90% immunity, it's that if 100 people are vaccinated then over 90 of them will be immune from becoming ill with this disease. In most cases it also means that the remainder may have a degree of protection that means if they do catch the disease it will be less severe.

BWT, I'm far from being an expert!
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 11:54
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Exercise walked with a friend this morning, she was saying colleagues of hers - mostly in their 30s/40s - who are front line support and have to visit the public in their homes have been offered the Pfizer vaccination; take up of the daily allocations has been surprisingly low and the excuses pretty lame. One saw it as pointless unless his partner was inoculated at the same time... My friend said she would be pleased to be vaccinated now rather than wait till they do the 60+ group in the next couple of months...
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 12:13
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Originally Posted by papabravowhiskey View Post
I read and saw in the newspapers and on TV about the letters being sent out to over-80s and the opening of the new mass vaccination centres.
So I went to the vaccination booking site and put in my mother's NHS no. On Sunday, it said that no letter had been sent out. On Monday morning, ditto. On Monday evening, it allowed a booking to be made at a suitable mass vaccination centre for later this week. The booking for the follow-up jab in 12 weeks time was also made at the same time.
Friend's mother (same town) got a call from her GP on Monday afternoon and has been booked in for a jab at a centre set up by several GP practices for this evening.
The vaccines might be getting through in volume at last.
My mother (age 86) now has been vaccinated with the AZ vaccine at one of the new mass vaccination centres. Friend's mother got the Pfizer vaccine at the multi-GP-practice centre. Both done quickly and efficiently, no messing about.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 12:26
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I know they promise centres within 10 miles, but Brighton seems to be suffering a surfeit.

We now have the Royal Sussex Hospital and Brighton race course*. When the Brighton Centre opens at the end of the month that means Iíll have three major centres within about 1 mile of my front door.

* As of Monday, the government, reportedly, didnít pay the rent on time.....

https://www.sussexlive.co.uk/news/su...elayed-4887517
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 13:32
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I know they promise centres within 10 miles, but Brighton seems to be suffering a surfeit.

We now have the Royal Sussex Hospital and Brighton race course*. When the Brighton Centre opens at the end of the month that means I’ll have three major centres within about 1 mile of my front door.

* As of Monday, the government, reportedly, didn’t pay the rent on time.....

https://www.sussexlive.co.uk/news/su...elayed-4887517
It should be rather obvious that capacity is just as important as distance. It wouldn't be much use having a single vaccination centre for the area on your doorstep if it can only administer, say, 100 jabs/day and there are nearly 290,000+ (population of B&H) people to vaccinate. Where you and I live there are probably around 50,000 other people living within 1 mile of our respective front doors. I think the racecourse is also serving places like Newhaven, Ditchling etc. outside Brighton.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 13:34
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Tin foil hat?

Originally Posted by Landflap View Post
WB; Your office of banning "refuseniks" might be more dangerous for bumping into eachother because so many blind will have been led by the short-sighted. Clear vision required by all sides and immunity to the virus by having a vax has not been proved. Still to be proved but more attractive is the notion that Track & trace will be a synch.

I am intrigued as to what your agenda is. Is it to encourage the spread of this disease so that more people die or suffer from life changing problems and defects with their internal organs or suffer neurological problems? Is that what you really want? There must be some reason why you have posted false and incorrect information on a public forum.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 14:10
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
SHJ,I remember watching a TV documentary maybe 20 years ago about Pimlico Plumbing.As a pretty-well paid professional in aviation,the earnings claimed by some of the plumbers seemed quite eye-watering to me.
I remember chatting to the outgoing Odiham station commander (I think he was Grp Captain Milburn) at a presentation in 2005 for the Air Cadets of my nipper's squadron. I asked him what would he do as he was leaving the RAF and he replied he was going to train as a plumber. I thought he was pulling my leg but he assured me he was serious, citing the enormous earnings potential. I don't know if he followed it up or not.


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