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Old 28th Aug 2020, 11:27
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We are currently under stage 4 restrictions meaning we are limited to one person per day leaving the house and that person is limited to a 5km range and must wear a face mask. Today, going for a coffee I came across a person who I'd seen before at this cafe not wearing a mask. I looked at him and he had the same stupid look as last time. I then deliberately went and stood at the other end of the cafe and that really peeved him off. The guy was obviously a nutter looking for attention by regularly visiting this cafe without a face mask. I'm sure he has an exemption from wearing a face mask, that's probably the only reason he turns up in this public place so he can argue his point and be right for once in his miserable life.

Meanwhile, our commie Premier wants to extend his lockdown powers for another 12 months. If it wasn't for his incompetence in the first place by not handling positive cases with the strictness it deserved then we wouldn't be in the situation we are now, but methinks it's a commie conspiracy as a way to break the current free economy and replace it with one run by his mates, after all, he initially gave his construction industry mates an exemption from stage 4 restrictions until there was a huge cry of foul. Fortunately our prime-minister has weighed in on the issue and put a lot of pressure on this monkey to behave more sensibly and he doesn't like it one bit.

I don't have any issue with wearing a face mask in public for as long as is required. However, I do have an issue with this commie f!cktard premiere's handling of the pandemic and deliberately causing long term damage to our free economy for his own party's benefit.

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Old 28th Aug 2020, 11:54
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It would seem that practical experience is echoing the predictions by Trinity College of the ineffectiveness of the Gapple Bluetooth based software....

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...tracing-system

Google and Apple to roll out phase two of contact-tracing system

Apple and Google are preparing to roll out phase two of their Covid-19 contact-tracing system, allowing users to receive notifications about their exposure to infectious people without needing to install a specific app. But the system will still not fully work in Britain until the UK government releases its own contact-tracing app – currently being trialled in the Isle of Wight and the London borough of Newham – nationally.

The basics of the “exposure notification” system were built into iPhones and Android devices in May. Users who have downloaded an app made by a public health authority can opt in to a decentralised tracking system. Their phones record details of other devices they have been near, and if one of those users later marks themselves as infectious, exposed individuals receive a notification.

Until now, Apple and Google have required users to download an app made by a recognised public health authority to enable the exposure notification system. While that has been possible for residents in Northern Ireland, that has prevented residents in England, Wales and Scotland from using the service, unless they installed a contact tracing-app from another country, such as Ireland or Germany whose apps were available in UK app stores. Even then, they could only use the app passively, since both foreign apps require a diagnosis from their respective health services to mark oneself as infectious.

When new versions of iOS and Android are made available, which is expected in the next two weeks, users will be able to join an exposure notification system without needing to download any app at all. They will, however, still need a recognised app to mark themselves as infectious, putting extra pressure on the UK government to move its own app out of beta testing and make it available for general release. But the pressure has diminished in recent months owing to the poor performance of contact-tracing systems in other nations. In June the French government revealed that its contact-tracing app had sent just 14 notifications in its first three weeks of operation, with only 68 people entering a positive test result, despite 2 million downloads.

The country was hampered by comparatively low uptake, which the new Apple and Google system is intended to overcome. But in Germany, which uses that system, more than 16 million people have installed the app and only 500 have marked themselves as positive. Worse, the extra privacy built in to Apple and Google’s system means the German institute of public health has no further information on efficacy, because it is unable to collect data about how many users were warned.....


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Old 28th Aug 2020, 12:28
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And just for information, from 08H00 CET tomorrow, face masks are compulsory in Strasbourg City Centre.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 16:13
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Doctors appointment

After a few weeks of making appointments, and seeing only the nurse,
I finally had an appointment for a telephone consultation this morning.
Phone range once at 12.29, then hung up from doctors end. On checking,
phone appointment recorded as 9.20-9.35 and ended, never happened !
Then receptionist later told me , doctor rang at 12.29 but I didn't answer.
Asked for a callback this afternoon, to be told 'the doctors make their own
appointments now'. I think my surgery is using Covid to hide incompetence.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 16:34
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Just at the ,moment here it would seem to be very difficult to catch this virus. Bedford reports 12 new confirmed cases per 100,000 in the last week. Assuming at most a 2 week infectious window ( hugely conservative) and that there are 10 undetected cases for every 1 confirmed case, the equals 240. 240 out of 100,000 is 0.24 % unless my o level in geography betrays me. Of course if it goes exponential this could turn on a 6 pence but until then the risk of local socialising looks minimal. Anything wrong with my thinking on this?
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 16:58
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Of course if it goes exponential this could turn on a 6 pence
It absolutely will.
Remember back in february when Italy was begining to show what was coming and the UK fluffed around as if it would be different for us?
Same now, people in the UK have learned bu99er all. it was only a few months ago and we are going to do exactly the same again, stare at the increases in the rest of Europe and imagine it'll be different for us ............untill its too late

what a bunch of fukwitts
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 17:02
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In my Norfolk village pop. 2709, only one death recorded.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 17:08
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Mrs BBE had a dentist appointment today as she had a nagging toothache. She had to wait outside the surgery until they were ready. She was then called in to the waiting room, wearing the required mask. She wasn’t allowed to sit down and spent a further 10 minutes there. Finally, the dentist called her into the surgery room. She was not allowed to remove her mask until the dentist was ready.

The dentist then spent 1/2 hour working in very close proximity, understandably - around 25cm - from her open mouth. As always, he was masked, but what is the point in Mrs BBE being so? 1/2 hour is more than enough time to pass a potential infection.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 17:17
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The probability of catching this will vary massively depending on lots of factors, of which the prevalence in your area is just one. Any crowded indoor area, even in a place with only a few cases, is going to present a higher risk than an open space with few people. Same goes for crowded public transport versus riding a bike along a country lane. Another big unknown is the prevalence of asymptomatic cases that aren't being either detected or recorded. It seems that there may well be fairly large number of people who are infected, have no symptoms and yet are infective. These people may well spread the infection to someone more susceptible, who then seems to get it from nowhere, as it were. Lots and lots of unknowns, but in general, right now in summer, it seems that the risk of infection is pretty low, as is the risk of getting seriously ill if you do get infected.

Personally I'm very curious as to what may happen come the start of the flu season, as winter approaches. I have a feeling that we may see proportionately more people get seriously ill then, perhaps even some that may have shrugged this off with no symptoms in summer may fall seriously ill come winter. This seems to happen with flu, as well as other coronavirus respiratory infections, like colds, so it seems a reasonable guess that this disease may behave the same way. The massive amount of research effort being put in to this disease will probably result in a significantly better understanding of other viral respiratory diseases, as I get the feeling that orders of magnitude more money is being put into Covid-19 research than goes into influenza research. We may well find that we come out of this with some unforeseen additional benefits, like flu and cold prevention, perhaps.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 18:30
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Originally Posted by esa-aardvark View Post
In my Norfolk village pop. 2709, only one death recorded.
Within a mile of my house In a Welsh Border Town and up until the end of June ...22 deaths
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 19:38
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I've always wondered about the asymptomatic cases. In Australia the push is " if you have symptoms, get tested". Without searching for asymptomatic cases how can we have the true big picture?


With respect to living with Covid, could an ageist system work? Under 45-get back to life. Under 65- use caution. Above 65- extreme caution. Extremely simplistic, but a starting point.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 21:11
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Originally Posted by clark y View Post
I've always wondered about the asymptomatic cases. In Australia the push is " if you have symptoms, get tested". Without searching for asymptomatic cases how can we have the true big picture?

With respect to living with Covid, could an ageist system work? Under 45-get back to life. Under 65- use caution. Above 65- extreme caution. Extremely simplistic, but a starting point.
I can go with that + Clinically Extremely Vulnerable - STAY IN YOUR BUNKER

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Old 28th Aug 2020, 21:39
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I have a feeling this thing is a bit like an iceberg, in that most of what's going on is unseen. I suspect the same may well be true of other, less severe, diseases, too. Hopefully, with the massive spotlight of research effort pointing at all aspects of this thing, we may also find out a lot more about this type of infectious disease in general. I'll admit to being a bit surprised at how little we seem to understand about viral respiratory diseases. I'd assumed that we'd studied thing like influenza for decades, and knew pretty much all there was to know, but it seems we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to some pretty basic understanding of how we interact with diseases like this.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 00:38
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Michael Levitt interview on Covid.

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Old 29th Aug 2020, 06:59
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Who was it who famously said "Forecasting is very difficult, especially about the future" ?
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 07:15
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Whitehall sources said that only one in ten officials in the Cabinet Office and the Treasury had returned to the workplace after resistance from the unions. They have warned that requiring officials to return to work would be a breach of health and safety regulations.”.......
Oh the horror, employers being reminded of their responsibilities.......other news sources are available:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...office-britain






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Old 29th Aug 2020, 09:43
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I will be going back to the office next week for the first time in around 6 months. This will for be one day in order to do a bit of training/induction for a new starter, and I suggested we do this to my managers when we were discussing the appointment after a final interview back in early July. We can only do this because we know the office is otherwise empty: we'll spend the day in a large conference room where I can replicate my computer display onto a large screen and show the new starter around processes systems and documentation. If absolutely necessary we could (and will) do this sort of thing to certain extent with screen-sharing sessions while working from home, but I felt that some of what we have to discuss would be better done with us both in the same room. Meanwhile, there is absolutely no prospect of anyone returning to work at our office on a daily basis any time soon.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 11:28
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Originally Posted by dastocks View Post
I will be going back to the office next week for the first time in around 6 months. This will for be one day in order to do a bit of training/induction for a new starter, and I suggested we do this to my managers when we were discussing the appointment after a final interview back in early July. We can only do this because we know the office is otherwise empty: we'll spend the day in a large conference room where I can replicate my computer display onto a large screen and show the new starter around processes systems and documentation. If absolutely necessary we could (and will) do this sort of thing to certain extent with screen-sharing sessions while working from home, but I felt that some of what we have to discuss would be better done with us both in the same room. Meanwhile, there is absolutely no prospect of anyone returning to work at our office on a daily basis any time soon.
Perhaps a reality check is required. Whilst precautions are still required, too many people are living in a state on unnecessary fear and paranoia.
https://www.ft.com/content/176b9bbe-...5-873e61754ec6
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 11:57
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Perhaps a reality check is required. Whilst precautions are still required, too many people are living in a state on unnecessary fear and paranoia.
https://www.ft.com/content/176b9bbe-...5-873e61754ec6
Provided people take sensible precautions, there really is very little risk in going about life pretty much as normal. The main inaccuracy in that FT article is that it makes at best an unproven statement, and at worst a false one, when it states there is a 10,000 to 1 difference in catching Covid-19 based purely on age. There isn't at all. The risk of catching the disease seems pretty similar for all ages, the difference is in those that get serious disease, especially in winter, and those that don't. There is an age correlation related to severity of the disease, but that's a different issue to prevalence of infection. The more people infected in the population as a whole, the greater the risk that some of them may well pass the disease on to someone vulnerable (the "don't kill your granny" scenario).

The big problem is that we seem to have a fairly large number of people who are either ignoring the need to take sensible precautions or just don't understand what helps reduce risk and what doesn't. It's a pity there hasn't been any real effort made to try and explain how the various precautions people can take work, and also explain better how to judge when particular precautions may be needed. The precautions depend far more on the environment than they do on age, as everyone needs to assume that someone that they come into contact with may be themselves in contact with a more vulnerable person. Pretty simple stuff, like wearing masks in any indoor space that's fairly densely occupied, or when in close proximity (closer than ~2m) to others, and washing hands more frequently will probably do almost as good a job as lockdown, I suspect. The snag is, that for this to work well it needs the majority of people to comply, and the sad fact is that there are a significant number of people who will just refuse to comply out of sheer bloody minded selfishness.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 12:53
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My local pharmacy (LLoyds) is taking bookings for free flu shots from 14th Sept (if over 65, pregnant, or with some other conditions). I assume many pharmacies will be doing the same, and it may be more convenient for some than a visit to the doctors surgery.
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