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Old 25th Jan 2020, 19:42
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At this relatively late date, If there are sufficient Chinese medical personnel in situ, might it be better not to evacuate and escape quarantine, risking exposure of aircraft crews and the destination to the contagion?
The worst thing about the disease is the spreading of it.

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Old 25th Jan 2020, 19:51
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https://www.france24.com/en/20200125...-flight-cancel

France prepares evacuation of its citizens from coronavirus-hit Wuhan, China

France is planning to evacuate its citizens from the Chinese city of Wuhan, the epicenter of the deadly coronavirus epidemic, the French Foreign Ministry said on Saturday.

A statement on the official webpage of the French consulate in Wuhan said that France was “considering … setting up a bus service allowing French citizens, their spouses and children to leave Wuhan”.

The French Foreign ministry has set up an emergency phone line. On Saturday, an official answering the line told FRANCE 24 that the bus transport details were still being worked out, but that the plan was to take French citizens trapped in Wuhan to another Chinese city, where they would undergo a 14-day quarantine before being allowed to move on.......

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/w...ronavirus.html

China Suspends Tours Abroad as Xi Warns of ‘Grave Situation’

China said on Saturday that it would suspend all tour groups and the sale of flight and hotel packages for its citizens headed overseas, starting on Monday.

The association for China’s travel agencies said tour groups that were in the middle of their trips could proceed with their itineraries but should closely monitor the health of their travelers. This measure may come as welcome news to countries that have been gearing up to screen travelers from China for fevers and other signs of infection.

The Beijing city government also announced on Saturday that it would suspend all inter-province buses from Sunday, effectively limiting road travel into the capital. The measures, taken hundreds of miles from Wuhan, where the outbreak of a novel coronavirus began, were a sign that concerns over the spread of the outbreak have crept close to central government offices and the ruling Communist Party’s seat of power........
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 21:19
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Now in hospitals in Beijing....

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Old 25th Jan 2020, 22:29
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Re 'Koala' meat, denial from China: Chinese eat Koalas? Nonsense! - People's Daily Online

And further explanation from Singapore: https://mothership.sg/2020/01/wild-animal-wuhan-market/"The menu features a mix of over 100 live animals and their meat, which includes live Chinese Giant Salamander, camels, ostriches, peacocks, and wolf pups. According to the menu, a live peacock was sold at RMB500 (S$97) each, a particular deer species cost RMB6000 (S$1167) and a live “树熊” — understood by most people outside of China to mean a koala — cost RMB70 (S$13.60)."

Most web dictionaries also translate 树熊 Shuxiong as Koala, but scepticism is best, I agree.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 04:15
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Re 'Koala' meat, denial from China: Chinese eat Koalas? Nonsense! - People's Daily Online

And further explanation from Singapore: https://mothership.sg/2020/01/wild-animal-wuhan-market/"The menu features a mix of over 100 live animals and their meat, which includes live Chinese Giant Salamander, camels, ostriches, peacocks, and wolf pups. According to the menu, a live peacock was sold at RMB500 (S$97) each, a particular deer species cost RMB6000 (S$1167) and a live “树熊” — understood by most people outside of China to mean a koala — cost RMB70 (S$13.60)."

Most web dictionaries also translate 树熊 Shuxiong as Koala, but scepticism is best, I agree.
As usual many names for one animal but RMB70 seems pretty cheap for a koala
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 13:39
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Re 'Koala' meat, denial from China: Chinese eat Koalas? Nonsense! - People's Daily Online

And further explanation from Singapore: https://mothership.sg/2020/01/wild-animal-wuhan-market/"The menu features a mix of over 100 live animals and their meat, which includes live Chinese Giant Salamander, camels, ostriches, peacocks, and wolf pups. According to the menu, a live peacock was sold at RMB500 (S$97) each, a particular deer species cost RMB6000 (S$1167) and a live “树熊” — understood by most people outside of China to mean a koala — cost RMB70 (S$13.60)."

Most web dictionaries also translate 树熊 Shuxiong as Koala, but scepticism is best, I agree.
I was told the only things with legs that you can't eat in restaurants in China are the tables and chairs....
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 19:23
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The full thread needs reading.

Assuming, in China alone, if 90% of the population get infected, at the present mortality rate of 3%, that’s about 40 million deaths.....

R0 estimates for flu pandemics lie in the 1.5-2.5 range. Yes, Measles is much higher (10-15). An epidemic with an R0 of 2.5 could still infect between 60% and 90% of the population, depending on contact patterns and assuming no prior immunity. Not all might be symptomatic though......

the author of the 2.6 transmission report now acknowledges that given the way the #coronavirus is trending, “the evidence now suggests it is now rational to start planning for the scenario that containment efforts may not succeed.” We should hope for best but prepare for worst.......

“What is the R0 of the flu“ many people ask, for comparison to the #coronavirus. In most years, the typical seasonal flu has an R0=1.28. The 2009 flu pandemic? R0=1.48. The 1918 Spanish Flu? 1.80......



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Old 26th Jan 2020, 20:05
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What's troubling about this outbreak is that information is being withheld by the Chinese authorities, either by intention or from bureaucracy. There's already some evidence that the tally of deaths is being under reported with Coronavirus as the underlying cause.

Relatives Wonder Why Pneumonia Deaths Not in Coronavirus Tally
http://www.wsj.com/articles/relative...us-11579915630

It now seems a person who contracts the Wuhan coronavirus could be asymptomatic for 1 to 14 days, but are still shedding the virus to infect others and combined with a transmission rate of 2.6 (as estimated by a research group) means that containment efforts will be ineffective.

'I walked through the Wuhan fish market everyday and have not been tested for the coronavirus', says British teacher
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020...t-tested-says/

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 20:06
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Most web dictionaries also translate 树熊 Shuxiong as Koala, but scepticism is best, I agree.
I can assure you that Koala is the EXACT translation. Directly from a Chinese native speaker.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 00:06
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pilotmike, thanks for the confirmation. I was answering nonsense in post #59 re: "Colour me skeptical..." He did not believe it was really on the menu or being served.

Perhaps this is a trade descriptions problem, i.e. the customers were paying for koala, but were being served some suspicious substitute, like bamboo rat dressed up to look like koala.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 10:56
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A quote from the media.

Speaking on [email protected], he also said that a vaccine is being developed in the UK but will take a "period of months" if it is funded correctly, and then "significantly longer" than that to distribute it.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 17:40
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A quote from the media.

Speaking on [email protected], he also said that a vaccine is being developed in the UK but will take a "period of months" if it is funded correctly, and then "significantly longer" than that to distribute it.
No worries, they are working on one in Norway, and they have the funds.
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Unfortunately it will probably not be ready before we depart for Hanoi next week, and shops here are, for some unfathomable reason, clean out of face mask, both surgical and industrial. Oh well, we are young and in rude good health.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 06:48
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The Global Times is reporting that the Chinese city of Tianjin, in northern China, is to launch a “wartime mechanism”, putting one of its general hospitals and 500 medical teams in the city under military management. It’s the first Chinese city to take the step, according to the Global Times.

Tianjin is about 120km south-east of Beijing. Its population is around 15 million people.



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Old 28th Jan 2020, 06:52
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Global cases reported - from John Hopkins CSSE. Check the chart on the left which is going expotential....

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

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Old 28th Jan 2020, 08:40
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Never been to Wuhan.

A 60-yr-old bus driver from Nara in Japan was driving two tours group from Wuhan in Tokyo between the 8th and 16th January, complained of cough and body aches on the 17th back in Nara, was then sent home to rest, where he got worse, and he is now the 6th confirmed new coronavirus case, in hospital since the 25th Jan.
Article in Japanese. (My precis.)
https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=2...00047-mai-soci

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Old 28th Jan 2020, 09:00
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A lot of the problems with this virus in China is that it gets a kick start in the lungs because of the damage caused by pollution. Even twenty years ago when I was in Wuhan when one stood on the top of the Yellow Crane tower one could only see about ten kilometres. It must be worse now.

Also the last working steam engine I saw. A, I believe, Garret locomotive pulling a stream of coal trucks across the Yangtze No 1 bridge.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 10:59
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A lot of the problems with this virus in China is that it gets a kick start in the lungs because of the damage caused by pollution. Even twenty years ago when I was in Wuhan when one stood on the top of the Yellow Crane tower one could only see about ten kilometres. It must be worse now.

Also the last working steam engine I saw. A, I believe, Garret locomotive pulling a stream of coal trucks across the Yangtze No 1 bridge.
Not much better nearly 30 years ago. Not my fave Chinese city.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 11:13
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Sky News has a feature running where they have toured the region around Beijing and have found the villages and towns sealing themselves off - building brick barriers in roads and organising their own checkpoints. The country is slowly breaking down into small isolated sealed off areas.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 11:19
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Global cases reported - from John Hopkins CSSE. Check the chart on the left which is going expotential....

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
Indeed that graph does look bad.

Anyone any thoughts as to countries restricting flights from China or via China? Are we close yet?
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 06:22
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BA have announced they are suspending all flights to mainland China with immediate effect until further notice.
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