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Old 18th May 2020, 16:14
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Originally Posted by slats11 View Post
This virus has a very strong affinity for human ACE2. Could it be natural? Sure. But you do have to wonder if the natural selection dice were not subtly loaded.
Yes, but in the next second you will have to wonder who would have the expertise and resources to do it, and would also think it is a good idea. I think the only people crazy enough to do something like this would be some death cult, or some deranged individual. And it's extremely unlikely such people will have the capability to do it.

In the mean time, here's a video from potholer94 exposing some of the false information coming from the people claiming the virus came/escaped from a Chinese lab:


I have been watching him for a long time, usually he debunks false information regarding climate change, and he is quite good at tracing information to its original source, then showing how that information was distorted by successive reporting.

Spoiler: Among other refuted claims, the lab in Wuhan is not close to the wet market at all. It is kilometers away from it. Near the market there is just an administrative building.
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Old 18th May 2020, 16:17
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Australia’s success is probably due to early lockdown and a health department that expanded its already active trace team to over 1000, before the virus took off.

With just a few exceptions each person who tested positive was fully traced. They managed kept up with the spread and isolate anyone who had been in contact with an infectious person.

Many Australians transitioned into lockdown two weeks before it was policy so there was far less movement going on compared to the UK.

Monitoring UK news channels it was clear the UK public were receiving different advice, which resulted in much screaming at the telly in the Mjb household..

A significant moment in the public’s perception of risk, was the cancellation of the Melbourne Formula 1 Grand Prix, which came at a time when the government were fence sitting in regard to event shut downs and had left the decision to cancel the event with race organisers.

Thank you Lewis Hamilton for heading to the airport early Friday morning as the race organisers had no choice but to cancel the event a few hours later. The crowd of 300,000 didn’t materialise.








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Old 18th May 2020, 16:24
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I see that the UK is belatedly adding loss of taste/smell to the list of symptoms. My own loss of taste/smell was quite selective, and I wonder if multiple nerve pathways could be involved.

I found that [hawthorn?] tree pollen smelt strongly, while a Vicks inhaler totally lacked it's usual pungency. Vicks contains menthol, a pine oil and camphor. I got: some "thermal" effect (from the menthol?); a mild background (pine oil?); and very little of the pungency (camphor?). As I recover some of the pungency is returning. Also a madras curry tasted weird, but consistent with only some of the spices registering.

How common is this selective loss of smell/taste?
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Old 18th May 2020, 16:34
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Originally Posted by mickjoebill View Post
Australia’s success is probably due to early lockdown and a health department that expanded its already active trace team to over 1000, before the virus took off.

With just a few exceptions each person who tested positive was fully traced. They managed kept up with the spread and isolate anyone who had been in contact with an infectious person.

Many Australians transitioned into lockdown two weeks before it was policy so there was far less movement going on compared to the UK.

Monitoring UK news channels it was clear the UK public were receiving different advice, which resulted in much screaming at the telly in the Mjb household..

A significant moment in the public’s perception of risk, was the cancellation of the Melbourne Formula 1 Grand Prix, which came at a time when the government were fence sitting in regard to event shut downs and had left the decision to cancel the event with race organisers.

Thank you Lewis Hamilton for heading to the airport early Friday morning as the race organisers had no choice but to cancel the event a few hours later. The crowd of 300,000 didn’t materialise.
Yes, all pretty accurate.
Both the federal and state governments jumped on it pretty quickly and spent the money to get the message across in a manner that kept the punters on-side.

It wasn't all perfect, with some noteworthy clangers, but generally done effectively and with the support of the broad populace.
And we never went down the herd-immunity track at all.

But it has set us up with zero point zero herd immunity which means that all we can do is keep the borders locked up until relief comes, or it was all for nothing.
A very precarious situation.
However, provided there is no major outbreak, then Oz industry (read "mining") should be back on track pretty soon.
Also providing that we are not the only ones pushing the barrow for an in depth look at where this originated and how it came about.

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Old 18th May 2020, 16:59
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UK daily COVID-19 deaths down to 160 in all settings. Low figure after the weekend, hopefully the jump tomorrow will be also relatively low.

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Old 18th May 2020, 17:13
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Originally Posted by MikeSnow View Post
Yes, but in the next second you will have to wonder who would have the expertise and resources to do it, and would also think it is a good idea. I think the only people crazy enough to do something like this would be some death cult, or some deranged individual. And it's extremely unlikely such people will have the capability to do it.

In the mean time, here's a video from potholer94 exposing some of the false information coming from the people claiming the virus came/escaped from a Chinese lab:

https://youtu.be/ab-r0capbzk

I have been watching him for a long time, usually he debunks false information regarding climate change, and he is quite good at tracing information to its original source, then showing how that information was distorted by successive reporting.

Spoiler: Among other refuted claims, the lab in Wuhan is not close to the wet market at all. It is kilometers away from it. Near the market there is just an administrative building.
Excellent. He covers many of the points I mentioned in 2 or 3 posts a few weeks ago. Especially the point that there is no point in dreaming-up a leak of bat blood from a lab when just down the road is market full of bat shit and bits of butchered bats and other wild animals.
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Old 18th May 2020, 17:33
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It looks as though the UK government has bought itself some wriggle room with regard to the belated quarantine plans in the face of a clear attempt by Ryanair, I'm sure tacitly supported by BA and the like of TUI and Jet2 to call the government's bluff on their ability to police 14 days quarantine:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52713081

After a show of imposing quarantine worldwide for a couple of weeks they can lift the restrictions for selected countries based on low new case numbers. I can see France, the Low Countries, Germany, Austria, Czechia, Spain, Portugal and Greece and some others getting exempted fairly quickly; unless of course they early relaxations in lockdown result in climbing case numbers. And further afield Australia, New Zealand and China could well get exemptions.

Of course, unless the UK gets it's daily new case figures down into 3 figures the likelihood is that it'll be us that get quarantined entering those countries irrespective, and just watch the Daily Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph call foul if that were to happen.

The time for this nonsense was 10 weeks ago, not now.
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Old 18th May 2020, 17:35
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DCMO Professor Van-Dam just stated in the daily briefing that, of the 21500 Covid-19 trackers so far recruited, one third are doctors.

Which surprised me, as I understood that out of the original 18,000 To be recruited 15,000 were to be call centre operators and only 3,000 clinicians.
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Old 18th May 2020, 20:01
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
UK daily COVID-19 deaths down to 160 in all settings. Low figure after the weekend, hopefully the jump tomorrow will be also relatively low.
According to the World o Meter, UK had the highest daily death numbers with 160.

Make of that what you will.
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Old 18th May 2020, 22:10
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
According to the World o Meter, UK had the highest daily death numbers with 160.

Make of that what you will.
You mean Russia, USA, and Brazil had less then this???
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Old 18th May 2020, 22:22
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President Donald Trump claimed Monday that he’s been taking hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug he’s been touting as a potential coronavirus cure, for a couple of weeks in hopes of preventing COVID-19.

“You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the frontline workers before you catch it. ... I happen to be taking it,” the president said at a roundtable with restaurant executives.

“I’ve heard a lot of good stories,” Trump, who says he has not tested positive for the coronavirus, continued. “And if it is not good, I will tell you right. I’m not going to get hurt by it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donal...204217010.html
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Old 18th May 2020, 22:46
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Old 19th May 2020, 06:06
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Pontius Navigator According to World o Meter yesterday the USA reported 1003 new deaths from Coronavirus. Brazil 735, U.K. 160. Russia just 91. Believe what you will. As we know, international comparisons can be very misleading.
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Old 19th May 2020, 06:18
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Make of that what you will.
Ask three people and get five answers. Nothing new.
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Old 19th May 2020, 07:20
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Yes, all pretty accurate.
Both the federal and state governments jumped on it pretty quickly and spent the money to get the message across in a manner that kept the punters on-side.

It wasn't all perfect, with some noteworthy clangers, but generally done effectively and with the support of the broad populace.
And we never went down the herd-immunity track at all.

But it has set us up with zero point zero herd immunity which means that all we can do is keep the borders locked up until relief comes, or it was all for nothing.
A very precarious situation.
However, provided there is no major outbreak, then Oz industry (read "mining") should be back on track pretty soon.
Also providing that we are not the only ones pushing the barrow for an in depth look at where this originated and how it came about.
Mining exploration has taken a hit.

Extraction for the most part is uninterrupted. As with most primary industry.

https://www.amec.org.au/covid-19/

The marketplace looks to be, um, "belligerent" though...

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Old 19th May 2020, 07:29
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Originally Posted by currawong View Post
Mining exploration has taken a hit.

Extraction for the most part is uninterrupted. As with most primary industry.

https://www.amec.org.au/covid-19/

The marketplace looks to be, um, "belligerent" though...
And while the downturn in demand, prices and sales for coal are down causing some justified consternation in Queensland, the reduction in Vale's iron production rates being caused by the influence of the coronavirus in Brazil has driven West Australian iron producers to increasing production rates at very satisfying prices.
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Old 19th May 2020, 07:49
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There’s a few factors at play with the strong value of iron ore at the moment, and most are down to supply. The aforementioned drop in output from Brazil, but the amount of iron ore China has in their port stocks is the lowest in nearly 3 years, and there is an upswing in demand for iron ore from Chinese industry as their steel production comes back online. That could be further exacerbated if Chinese demand increases off the bank of stimulus to further kick start their economy. So far that can only be good news for the Australian producers; Fortescue is ticking up a record share price daily off the back of strong iron ore. Might be a bit late to pick up some Fortescue stock, but definitely BHP and maybe Rio Tinto are ripe for the picking. Once again, to the chagrin of the Greens no doubt, the Australian economy is being dragged along by mining.
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Old 19th May 2020, 08:12
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Originally Posted by zoigberg View Post
You mean Russia, USA, and Brazil had less then this???
Exactly. If all the countries reported the largest number of daily deaths was UK with 160 and that by a fair margin.
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Old 19th May 2020, 08:14
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"driven West Australian iron producers to increasing production rates at very satisfying prices."

"iron ore China has in their port stocks is the lowest in nearly 3 years"


Steak and a side of barley with your ore, Monsieur Xi?

Ahhh, good choice....
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Old 19th May 2020, 08:14
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Originally Posted by Andrewgr2 View Post
Pontius Navigator According to World o Meter yesterday the USA reported 1003 new deaths from Coronavirus. Brazil 735, U.K. 160. Russia just 91. Believe what you will. As we know, international comparisons can be very misleading.
Andrew, I don't dispute your figures. Mine were also correct at the time I looked.

Today Mexico has the highest numbers.
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