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Old 20th Apr 2020, 18:27
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Originally Posted by lederhosen View Post
Interesting story VP959, do you have a bit more of a reference, so we can fact check it. Not surprisingly I don't access the Wuhan institutes archives daily and spotting that someone has been airbrushed out of history is probably beyond my limited sleuthing skills. But were this to be the case then the Daily Mail article referred to by ORAC, the Sunday Times and of course Shi Zhengli seem to be actively helping cover this up.
Best I can do is a screenshot from the Wuhan Institute of Virology website (the link I saved to it is now down). She's the blank space at the lower right, and normally when you click on anyone's name, their bio pops up, but in her case a blank page pops up instead. It may just be something that's being blown out of proportion, but it's still a bit suspicious, just the same:



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Old 20th Apr 2020, 18:40
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Interesting VP959, but it is still a bit circumstantial. For example the person could have become infected like thousands of others in Wuhan, without being patient zero. It is of course possible that the Chinese are actively managing the story and orchestrating fake news (as Trump calls it). So far I remain sceptical. It is not impossible, but not yet proven as the Scot's courts would say.
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 19:11
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
The person that seems to be missing is Huang Yan Ling, not Shi Zhengli. If you check the Wuhan Institute of Virology archives it seems that she's been deleted from their records, yet was working on this programme until at least late November 2019. The institute has online records of all researchers, even those that have moved on to other posts, yet her place in the record has just been deleted for some reason.
Few issues with this...

Huang Yan Ling doesn't seem to have published anything since 2015 - and the stuff she did publish back then was about bacteria and antibiotics. Not about SARS-type viruses in bats. So it's not clear why anyone would think she was at the Institute doing bat research in 2019.

https://www.researchgate.net/scienti..._Yanling_Huang

Also, having worked at several universities - I know it's common for their websites to be rubbish and full of errors. It's absolutely routine to have missing photos - and sometimes people vanishing altogether. I once had a friend email me very concerned because my profile had vanished from our university site and was returning an error. They thought I might have been fired! Nope - just our stupid web content management system messing things up. We've even had staff randonly disappear and reappear in unrelated departments!
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 19:19
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Originally Posted by stagger View Post
Few issues with this...
Jolihokistix also put up another counter argument - the virus has apparently not seen a bat for fifty years !
https://scitechdaily.com/evidence-of...d-19-pandemic/
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 19:48
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I read a book ("Spillover", excellent book!) recently that discussed amongst other things the Hendra virus, similar (in my untrained eye) in some ways to COVID-19 (Zoonotic) that infected a few people in Australia in the early 90's, that is also originally from bats and (in Hendra's case) "amplified" through horses.

What I found interesting is one man presented with what was assumed meningitis, recovered, but unfortunately died a year later when the virus "reactivated", they had previous lab work from his first spell, went back and realized he was infected.

The reason it didn't spread apparently is that it didn't achieve what they termed in the book "locomotion".

Dormancy and also the possibility of a more virulent second wave (like the Spanish flu?) are also a tad worrying.

I'm taking this far more seriously now than I did a month ago, for sure.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 00:33
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Earlier today I was commenting on the very low number of tests in Brazil compared to the number of confirmed cases, and based on that I concluded their situation is worse than the official numbers would suggest, compared to other countries.

Unfortunately I wasn't aware that the total number of tests in Brazil didn't have any update in the last 11 days, while the number of cases is updated daily, so it was wrong to compare those numbers. The total number of tests in Brazil just got an update today, and it jumped from 63k tests to 292k tests, which is much better. Now I'm more optimistic about their situation.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 04:28
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In case this has not been posted here yet, 3% of 'several hundred thousand'(?) blood donations in the Netherlands are showing CV19 antibodies. (Otherwise please forgive.)
https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/16/3-dutc...-19-antibodies
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 04:51
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Battle for the Banlieues

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...ates-s3ckpb8lp

Coronavirus: Young protesters clash with French police on locked-down estates

Police were on the alert in the troubled suburbs of Paris last night after youths in seven towns fought officers in violent protests against police enforcement of the lockdown.......

On Saturday and in the early hours of yesterday crowds of youths clashed with officers in Villeneuve, throwing projectiles that included powerful home-made fire-crackers. Police moved in with tear gas and rubber bullets as youths set fire to cars and other property. Similar incidents broke out in nearby Aulnay-sous-Bois, Gennevilliers and four other poor towns where there is permanent conflict between the authorities and a young population of mainly Arab and African origin.........


The police and other state services have feared since the start of the home confinement on March 17 that enforcement could spark an outbreak of the rioting that has broken out periodically in recent decades in the impoverished ghetto-like towns that ring French cities. In 2005, the deaths of two boys in a police chase in the Seine-Saint-Denis départment, the scene of some of the weekend violence, caused riots across France for three weeks.

Christophe Castaner, the interior minister, has instructed police to show sensitivity towards the crowds of unemployed young men who spend much of their day gathered outside among the tower blocks. The capital’s poor, ethnically diverse outskirts have been hit harder by the coronavirus outbreak than more affluent central Paris, according to data on Covid-19-related deaths.

More than 800,000 people around France have received €135 fines for leaving their homes without the required certificate required for each outing. Police are avoiding checking permits on the estates. Christophe Rouget, a police union official, said: “Our colleagues are reporting that it’s disastrous, especially in the Seine-Saint-Denis.”

Michel Aubouin, a recently retired senior police official, said: “No one wants to admit that we are unable to intervene on the estates, which are already very difficult in normal times.” The residents of the estates “do not read the press, don’t watch the news, they are gripped by conspiracy theories and are convinced that they are being lied to,” he told Marianne news site. “It is difficult to make people understand the [confinement] message when they see the police, firefighters and doctors as the enemy.”

The authorities are expecting trouble on a broader national scale when the confinement is eased on May 11. Radical groups of the hard left and right as well as leaders of the gilet jaune [italic] protest movement are planning actions including violence to seize public attention, according to a confidential report by the Central Home Intelligence Service (SCRT). The police agency, which tracks protest groups on social media and through its agents on the ground, said: “The ‘day after’ is being used as a strong theme to mobilise the protest movements. The lockdown has blocked popular unrest but the anger has not subsided and the much-criticised government management of the (health) crisis is feeding the revolt”.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:04
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-in-three-days

Singapore coronavirus outbreak surges with 3,000 new cases in three days

Singapore reported a record 1,426 new coronavirus cases on Monday, mostly among foreign workers, pushing its total number of confirmed infections to 8,014.

The tiny city-state now has the highest number of cases in south-east Asia, a massive increase from just 200 infections on 15 March, when its outbreak appeared to be nearly under control. About 3,000 cases have been reported in just the past three days. Low-wage migrant workers, a vital part of Singapore’s workforce, now account for at least 60% of its infections.

More than 200,000 workers from Bangladesh, India and other poorer Asian countries live in tightly packed dormitories. Clusters of infections have expanded rapidly in the dorms after they were overlooked in the government’s earlier health measures. Social distancing is impossible in the dormitories, which house up to 20 men per room with a shared kitchen, toilets and other facilities. Most work in construction, shipping and maintenance jobs.

Over half of the 43 registered dormitories have reported active viral clusters. At least 18 of the dormitories were declared isolation areas where workers have been quarantined. Several thousand other workers have been moved to other locations to reduce crowding........
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:24
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Effect of corona virus on perceived politicians/leaders:

Anyone seen Ruedi Giuliani lately? He was loud enough before Christmas.
And Pence - a man for all seasons - looks very tired as he navigates between the corona experts, press and Trump.
How is Boris doing now? Still gung-ho for Brexit?
Von der Leyen and crew with feet over the ground, trying to be heard.
WHO chiefs ditto.
Even Nancy is forgetting to be secular in the crisis and thereby losing her best asset.
Biden just bidin’ his time thanking his stars for the noise and for Trump’s misbehaviour exceeding his alleged own.
And the great man himself inciting revolt in his own country...

How the mighty are fallen.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:37
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There are reports that Boris has had a road to Damascus moment and is no longer the same. It is too early to tell as it is equally possible that he will bounce back once he has (very sensibly) properly recuperated. You left North Korea off your list Twitter. Things have been strangely quiet there and rumours of heart surgery combined with the almost miraculous lack of Corona do make one wonder.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:41
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To be fair, there hasn't been much heard from most of the world leaders in the last couple of weeks.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:50
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Effect of corona virus on perceived politicians/leaders:
Germany seems to be doing well with Angela Merkel's credibility recovering as she demonstrates how to manage a Federal system with clear, science-led leadership.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:57
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All true!

Kim however might or might not be:
Sick, On a binge, Hiding from someone / or some virus.

Merkel has regained a fair bit of lost respect.

Bolsenaro is riding the wave until it catches up with him.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:57
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Erdogan seems to be covering up a major outbreak in Turkey.........

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/w...ey-deaths.html

Istanbul Death Toll Hints Turkey Is Hiding a Wider Coronavirus Calamity

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Old 21st Apr 2020, 07:48
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
In case this has not been posted here yet, 3% of 'several hundred thousand'(?) blood donations in the Netherlands are showing CV19 antibodies. (Otherwise please forgive.)
https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/16/3-dutc...-19-antibodies
That's not as encouraging as the Iceland data. If that 3% figure is the same in the UK that would put total cases at about 2 million and the fatality rate at about 1%.

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Old 21st Apr 2020, 07:50
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The apparent situation in UK with regard to PPE seems not to have been helped by the tardy response from government to offers of assistance from UK clothing manufacturers. One, David Nieper in Alfreton, Derbyshire said yesterday in a report on BBC East Midlands Today that over a month ago they contacted the government offering to supply gowns to the NHS, got confronted with red tape and no clear answers from HMG, and eventually went directly to local hospital trusts. As a result they've now "un-furloughed" production workers who are sewing gowns to supply to them.

It beggars belief that the UK government didn't very early on requisition manufacturers to produce products that they surely must have realised would be needed. Instead they continued to look for the cheapest / best value from whichever global sources they could, and we now wind up with alleged orders from products that are allegedly available from Turkey, but which, for some unaccountable reason appear to be indefinitely delayed, or more likely have been flogged to another country that is willing to pay more. There will be countless other "sweat shops" (Nieper aren't by the way a sweat shop) in cities like Leicester which could equally been turned over to producing gowns, masks etc. but for whatever reason the government doesn't appear to want to compel them to do so, as surely would have were we in a war situation.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 07:58
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The apparent situation in UK with regard to PPE seems not to have been helped by the tardy response from government to offers of assistance from UK clothing manufacturers. One, David Nieper in Alfreton, Derbyshire said yesterday in a report on BBC East Midlands Today that over a month ago they contacted the government offering to supply gowns to the NHS, got confronted with red tape and no clear answers from HMG, and eventually went directly to local hospital trusts. As a result they've now "un-furloughed" production workers who are sewing gowns to supply to them.

It beggars belief that the UK government didn't very early on requisition manufacturers to produce products that they surely must have realised would be needed. Instead they continued to look for the cheapest / best value from whichever global sources they could, and we now wind up with alleged orders from products that are allegedly available from Turkey, but which, for some unaccountable reason appear to be indefinitely delayed, or more likely have been flogged to another country that is willing to pay more. There will be countless other "sweat shops" (Nieper aren't by the way a sweat shop) in cities like Leicester which could equally been turned over to producing gowns, masks etc. but for whatever reason the government doesn't appear to want to compel them to do so, as surely would have were we in a war situation.
One major problem I've heard of is that the UK just doesn't have the raw material for proper gowns. These gowns are not manufactured from woven fabric, they are made from moisture resistant non-woven fabric (probably a spun polypropylene), and there are no manufacturers of this material, or stocks of it, in the UK.

Companies are volunteering to supply cotton/polyester woven fabric gowns, but these don't offer the degree of protection needed, as they aren't water resistant.

I spent hours trawling the web for alternative fabrics a couple of days ago, when I first heard of the fabric problem, as I had wondered whether or not the Tyvek-type breather membranes used as house wrap might be suitable (they are also water resistant). The problem I found was that those fabrics are all too heavy, although they do seem to have fairly similar properties to the gown material, and they are still available in quantity.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 08:21
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One major problem I've heard of is that the UK just doesn't have the raw material for proper gowns. These gowns are not manufactured from woven fabric, they are made from moisture resistant non-woven fabric (probably a spun polypropylene), and there are no manufacturers of this material, or stocks of it, in the UK.

Companies are volunteering to supply cotton/polyester woven fabric gowns, but these don't offer the degree of protection needed, as they aren't water resistant.

I spent hours trawling the web for alternative fabrics a couple of days ago, when I first heard of the fabric problem, as I had wondered whether or not the Tyvek-type breather membranes used as house wrap might be suitable (they are also water resistant). The problem I found was that those fabrics are all too heavy, although they do seem to have fairly similar properties to the gown material, and they are still available in quantity.
How about making cotton/polyester gowns and then treating them with something like 3M Scotchguard? If supplies of Scotchguard become exhausted, alternatives are available. There's the stuff you spray on your tent to waterproof it, standard silicone-based cleaning & polishing products, even a quick rinse in Thompsons Weathershield or similar.... All subject to H&S approval of course.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 08:27
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How about an impregnated woven cloth? Used for various outdoor activities and semi- or non-permeable as required.
That should be do-able within UK / EU
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