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The shocking state of PPRuNe

Old 7th Jan 2020, 08:21
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Actually, the only thing shocking on PPRuNe is the mental state of some of the posters...
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 08:21
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The US airstrike thread has suddenly disappeared - not even locked.

It was certainly heading for a move to JetBlast or being locked as it was becoming ugly but total removal suggests someone really went OTT

It might be useful if there was a place where the Mods could explain why a thread has been disappeared (without getting into a discussion)so people could read and hopefully learn.

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Old 7th Jan 2020, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
The US airstrike thread has suddenly disappeared - not even locked.

It was certainly heading for a move to JetBlast or being locked as it was becoming ugly but total removal suggests someone really went OTT

It might be useful if there was a place where the Mods could explain why a thread has been disappeared (without getting into a discussion)so people could read and hopefully learn.
Again, nowt to do with us moderators. The OP of any thread can delete the original post and thus delete the thread.

Another example where assumptions are made which aren't always correct
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 08:31
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It might be useful if there was a place where the Mods could explain why a thread has been disappeared (without getting into a discussion)so people could read and hopefully learn.
That has never been the way of this site, in both of it's iterations. I don't envy the mods having to read every post and prune as necessary, but I've often wondered if there could be pre-prepared explanations that could be put onto/into threads/posts that would quickly and clearly explain to the affronted just why their post/thread got locked/disappeared. I have on my phone pre=prepared phrases that can be quickly inserted into a message such as "I'm running late, there in xxmins", so I'm sure suchlike could be placed on the bullitenboard software without too much stress to the programmers.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 08:50
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
That has never been the way of this site, in both of it's iterations. I don't envy the mods having to read every post and prune as necessary, but I've often wondered if there could be pre-prepared explanations that could be put onto/into threads/posts that would quickly and clearly explain to the affronted just why their post/thread got locked/disappeared. I have on my phone pre=prepared phrases that can be quickly inserted into a message such as "I'm running late, there in xxmins", so I'm sure suchlike could be placed on the bullitenboard software without too much stress to the programmers.
OK, we’re getting far too deep into mod tools but there is a note opportunity for any deleted post, with the ability to CC the poster. The swelling inbox of discussion and demands when the CC is used negates any desire on the part of most moderators to use this tool: sorry, but that’s another fact of life when it comes to running such a large Forum.

And you signed up knowing full well that you cannot expect an explanation of moderation; see my earlier post about PPRuNe Rules.

Note: PPRuNe is a very busy website moderated by volunteers in their spare time. We may not see every post and do not have the time to explain why posts are deleted.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Senior Pilot View Post
Again, nowt to do with us moderators. The OP of any thread can delete the original post and thus delete the thread.

Another example where assumptions are made which aren't always correct
Thanks for the explanation - it was getting a bit school play ground for sure..................... I hadn't realised the OP could delete the thread tho' useful to know......
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 11:38
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I hadn't realised the OP could delete the thread tho' useful to know......
I have found it disappointing when an OP chooses to delete their first post (and thus the thread) for a topic I felt held value, and had triggered good discussion. There have been cases where the OP "removed" a thread which several good pages of discussion. It has been with that in mind, that when I have encountered a non compliant post as the first post in an otherwise worthwhile thread, I've had to edit that first post, rather than delete it, so as to assure that the thread remains. Then I have an OP grumpy because I edited their post - Oh well... It was that, or delete everything.

Please be patient with us mods, we actually are trying to promote discussion....
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 12:44
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The Mods had nothing to do with my deleting my post that began that Thread.

The comments following my original post had begun to cause some concern by many to include the Mods and I felt it the right thing to do was to delete my original post.

The fact I "removed" the Thread by deleting the opening post offers no comment about any particular post or posters.....just in the interest of keeping Military Aviation a forum that does not reflect content suitable for Jet Blast was my only intent.

When I saw some of the posts had been moved to Jet Blast.....I decided on my own to end the Thread so there would be no further controversy.

We can police our own posts and threads that result from them particularly if we see problems with how it is going.



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Old 7th Jan 2020, 12:56
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I think you were right - it had moved from a fact based thread to some pretty crazy country.......
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 15:43
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Originally Posted by Senior Pilot View Post
medod in both your registered identities you have had no experience of deleted posts as referenced by LookingForAJob , so that's not a very helpful comment. This identity of yours has had two posts deleted, both by you; your other identity had two posts deleted by two moderators for good reasons, neither of which were 'professionally valid comments'
And lo and behold, Iím locked out of R&N.

SP, Iíve seen many valid posts *by other people* deleted for no good reason, which of course what I am talking about. This isnít personal.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 10:27
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Medod ; Could "other people" be, in fact, you ? SNP refers to you having two identities. Gosh, I was told that PPRuNe was all smoke & mirrors but same people with different identities ?Really ? This is just not fair. What rotters. I hate this world and am staying indoors from now on.

Agree with others already stated ; good for the Mods who have posted on this thread which remains alive & is giving good balance now. Good advice too on the clear rules & regs and one can always "contact us" with queries . Not sure if one would be answered if asking why a post had been deleted though. Thanks to Mod input on this thread, I think I can see why though.

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Old 8th Jan 2020, 10:43
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Whilst it is possible to have more than one identity on a discussion forum, is it fair or appropriate?

One voice should be sufficient to post your contribution unless you have a multiple-personality disorder or enjoy taking the Michael. Or do posters not have the courage of their posted convictions?

I find the moderation on this site to be fair, appropriate and a darn sight more reasonable than several other discussion/contribution sites on which I currently am a member.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 00:48
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I try to be understanding of the difficulty the mods have around here, but the arbitrary and capricious removal of posts, the demolition of entire threads and the smug contempt that some moderators display toward forum participants is just too annoying to bother with any longer.

Very best to you all.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 01:11
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 01:34
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If anyone should feel disgruntled, it's me. I spent ages explaining to Boeing how buttons and switches should be presented and wired only to find the thread gone in the morning. Some time later, in fear of reinstating a thread, I redid it, more logic and reduced waffle. It took a while. Gone. I frantically searched like Basil Fawlty looking for the pheasant in the Baked Alaska.

Old bloke in Essex instructing Boeing. Okay, I'll keep quiet. I did, for nearly a week. Then someone with three hours on an autogyro piped up with more or less my idea. It remained. Like Jones minor at the back of the class, I couldn't contain myself.

I set about checking very carefully everything I was proposing. I introduced several quotes, and then went over the English/grammar. It was worthy of the Seattle Times. It was also 4AM. Next morning. Gone.

I could ramble on. Perhaps that's the problem, but the thing is, if posts can be 'disappeared' so erm, capriciously, then it discourages the interested parties from putting work into the post. As discussed on an earlier Boeing thread, to present a well written post is a fair amount of work. To learn they can be auto-plucked, is illuminating.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 11:27
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded View Post
I try to be understanding of the difficulty the mods have around here, but the arbitrary and capricious removal of posts, the demolition of entire threads and the smug contempt that some moderators display toward forum participants is just too annoying to bother with any longer.

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Aye! You won't be missed with this kind of attitude
I would pull my hair out of despair if I were to be a moderator here.
As an exemple, trying to keep up with the amount of repeated drivel posted about the 737 crash in Iran is almost impossible! Mainly because of people not bothering reading what was already said. And I'm sure by the time I read stuff, 3/4 of non sense has already been moderated.


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Old 9th Jan 2020, 11:48
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Aye! You won't be missed with this kind of attitude
Well, that's the first thing you got wrong.

I would pull my hair out of despair if I were to be a moderator here.
You see? It's hard to write an unambiguous line unless you give it some thought.

Not reading it? Yes, that is a problem. But to those of us that have read every post . . . if we were in time, then plucking out a post in a micro-second, that took and hour to write, is harsh.

And who decides what's nonsense (all one word)? Old and time expired? I may be, but years in electronics, all my training on jet transport done on the real aircraft, years of sporadic time hanging about with the engineers getting to the truth of difficult problems. Is this all valueless? I don't think so, despite us oldies running on memories to a large extent.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 13:29
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Not saying that's what happen to you but collateral do happen (see post #82)
And I'm surprised it's not more often.



I have a spelling/grammar/syntaxes mistakes waiver on my profil.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 14:56
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@LooseRivets
A few years back during a large MH 370 thread, I wrote what I thought was a decent post replying to someone ... Gone less than an hour later.
I sent one of the mods a PM asking what I had done wrong, as I wanted to make sure any contribution I did make was worthwhile.
I got what I found to be an illuminating reply:
my post may or may not have been bad or off topic, but as we had (collectively) (the posters I was interacting with) run down a rat hole on something we (the lot of us at that point) were adding more noise than signal -- a whole batch of posts were cleaned out.
The message I got was that trying to keep a discussion in one of those fast moving threads on topic is far more difficult that I had suspected.

What had seemed to me to be capricious had a purpose: quality control.
Not sure if your post got a similar treatment for similar reasons.

As to the various 737 Max hamsterwheels: even with the mods pruning things (great pun, eh?) there is a load of repitition and dead horse beating in those threads.
A real chore to read through.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 18:35
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It's so bad I keep coming back
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