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Old 18th Oct 2020, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Anyone else noted the recent NZ election results? A 'Landslide' for Ms Adern's Party. Obviously there must have been some skulldiggery at work there! The poor confused, misrepresented, citizens have to operate under a PR system and we are reliably, and endlessly, informed that such systems invariably produce muddle and 'hung' Parliaments! From past purveyors of such arguments on this forum, I feel sure there will be many who can offer us cogent reasons for this, apparent, aberration - who's first?
Ardern has been an outstanding leader and has managed to convince many conservative voters to back her, giving her that majority even in a PR system.

Were she to be a UK PM, her ride would have been a lot rougher. For example, she wore a hijab - style outfit at the funerals of the victims of the ultra-right terror attack - a powerful message of respect and unity. Went down well there. Here, she would have been gravely undermined for that.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 10:58
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
"Landslide" doesn't mean its good, after all Putin usually get voted in by one!!, as did Blair.
Yeah, right.

In this case the electorate has so much confidence in her (and not the alternative) that they gave her a powerful mandate. Reckon we’ll see Ardern invade the Crimea or Iraq drunk on power? NZ electorate clearly don‘t.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 11:19
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
Ardern has been an outstanding leader and has managed to convince many conservative voters to back her, giving her that majority even in a PR system.

Were she to be a UK PM, her ride would have been a lot rougher. For example, she wore a hijab - style outfit at the funerals of the victims of the ultra-right terror attack - a powerful message of respect and unity. Went down well there. Here, she would have been gravely undermined for that.
I guess in the UK we can hope one day to have a mature democracy like New Zealand. Sad that presently we are not even mature enough to cope with the concept of coalition in both the political and wider context.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 12:51
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Another classy move from Johnson:

Want to get into the House of Lords? You better tick one of these boxes:

Son of a Russian oligarch, and funder of Bozza holidays? Check
IRA sympathiser who attempted to justify the Warrington IRA bombing? Check
Bozza’s brother? Check
Retired Archbishop of York, normally an automatic peerage elevation on retirement? Bgger off, the House of Lords is full.....

Even by the standards of the current government if that is because he voted to Remain it beggars belief!
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 13:50
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Another classy move from Johnson:

Want to get into the House of Lords? You better tick one of these boxes:

Son of a Russian oligarch, and funder of Bozza holidays? Check
IRA sympathiser who attempted to justify the Warrington IRA bombing? Check
Bozza’s brother? Check
Retired Archbishop of York, normally an automatic peerage elevation on retirement? Bgger off, the House of Lords is full.....

Even by the standards of the current government if that is because he voted to Remain it beggars belief!
Boris is a moral limbo dancer. Whether in private life or politics, he gets down with the lowest of the low.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 14:59
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Another classy move from Johnson:

Want to get into the House of Lords? You better tick one of these boxes:

Son of a Russian oligarch, and funder of Bozza holidays? Check
IRA sympathiser who attempted to justify the Warrington IRA bombing? Check
Bozza’s brother? Check
Retired Archbishop of York, normally an automatic peerage elevation on retirement? Bgger off, the House of Lords is full.....

Even by the standards of the current government if that is because he voted to Remain it beggars belief!
So you have decided the reason he has snubbed is because of Brexit?

If you checked the Archbishop's history, you many find some other clues as to why he has not be granted a Lordship AT THE MOMENT.

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Old 18th Oct 2020, 16:04
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If you checked the Archbishop's history, you many find some other clues as to why he has not be granted a Lordship AT THE MOMENT.
a. The term is Peerage
b. Unsupported hints are just a waste of bandwidth
and
c. you need a thorough overhaul on your Spoil Chicken
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 16:23
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
If you checked the Archbishop's history, you many find some other clues as to why he has not be granted a Lordship AT THE MOMENT.
a. The term is Peerage
b. Unsupported hints are just a waste of bandwidth
and
c. you need a thorough overhaul on your Spoil Chicken
And the colouring man is back. If you can't do your own research why his elevation to the Lord's has not been approved (at the moment), then that sums you up. Relying on your own echo chamber will not give you a balanced view. It is very unusual for an Archbishop not to be a Lord on retirement, so there may be a reason.

As for the spoil chicken, I have no idea. But, as you are a certain age, I suppose you do get confused.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 17:51
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
So you have decided the reason he has snubbed is because of Brexit?

If you checked the Archbishop's history, you many find some other clues as to why he has not be granted a Lordship AT THE MOMENT.
If you read my words properly you would notice that I used the word ‘if’ - I haven’t decided anything. However Johnson & Co do have form for taking views on Brexit into account when deciding similar matters.

You clearly have a view on the real reason for the snub - why so coy!
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 21:28
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And the colouring man is back.
Never been away, Duckie!
I am no fan of Sentamu nor the 'Buggin's turn next' form of Hierarchy selection, but the cheap, nasty, malevolent bitchiness of the present 'dolers-out' of jobs-for the-boys makes L-G's efforts look positively reasonable! The grubby inhabitants of what used to be referred to as 'Fleet Street' could be relied on to spread anything of consequence, but, as far as I'm aware, nothing to slaver over, so far.
So, your potentially libellous 'secret' information is either the self-promoting nonsense of yet another conspiracy theorist or ... shock, horror, headlines revelations available to you alone.
The world of Walt is not dead!
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 12:55
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Originally Posted by Avionker View Post
This peculiarity of the voting system is exactly what the Independence for Scotland Party (ISP) hope to exploit. If independence supporters were to vote SNP in the constituencies, and ISP in the list seats, the unionist parties would be decimated.
I hadn’t really paid much attention to the ISP, rather dismissing them as a bunch of disgruntled blockheads and deplorables that broke away to form a new party. To them, Fish Wifey is a Tartan Tory!!!

However, you’re quite correct, they are blatantly attempting to exploit this vulnerability in the Scottish split-ticket voting system which may indeed alter the balance in Holyrood but will not necessarily influence the outcome of any referendum. It may even be counter productive.

If Holyrood was to become even more loaded with shouty lefties trying to influence the agenda much of the support Fish Wifey has carefully garnered could melt away pretty pronto. Baring in mind, not all her supporters are necessarily pro independence.... yet.... and she knows it.

There was something called “The Arbuthnott Commision” whose recommendations included changes to the split-ticket system partly to address this anomaly. They were not implemented.
That was back in 2004, under a Labour led administration in Scotland. Fat lot of good it did them!

I also discovered the ISP have recently dumped one of their co-founders – ‘cause she supports Trump!!!! Go figure.
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 17:06
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Politicians always make up their own rules for their own mates.

Mick Wills was given a peerage by Labour as they wanted his constituency - North Swindon - for a friend.

They buggared it up, though, so a Tory got in!

Mr V Agarwal, a local Councillor from Surrey, was given the job of hanging on to Mick's majority, in Swindon, (which one assumes Mick would have kept), and failed.

But Boris giving a peerage to his bwuvver was pretty low. Couldn't he have given it to his sister, who is better looking??
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 23:29
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Can I ask the opinion of others as to their thoughts on something that just occurred to
me.

I have personally always thought that over the years governments have become more and more at odds. Both sides moving to their respective left/right sides. Not just in this country but in many others as well. I have always looked at this as a poison to society.

So do any think that it may actually be the opposite and it is actually society that has hardened to the left/right and so politicians have just been forced to follow public opinion?

This is again in general and not just the U.K. as Brexit for a time has distorted this arrangement.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 00:20
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The latter version is almost correct - the opinions have hardened among the populace as a function of their 'news' intake. The Murdochs, Barclays et al have pumped out their bile and their faithful followers have taken it all on board. The Party opinion seekers note the trends and play them to their own advantage using their efforts in the small number of constituencies open to change, 'playing the system'. Politicians NEVER follow public opinion, they just take advantage of it!
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 06:39
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post
I have personally always thought that over the years governments have become more and more at odds. Both sides moving to their respective left/right sides. Not just in this country but in many others as well. I have always looked at this as a poison to society.
Agreed.

So do any think that it may actually be the opposite and it is actually society that has hardened to the left/right and so politicians have just been forced to follow public opinion?
Views have been hardened because it is possible to live in your own reality. You can consume media that suits your politics, you can choose to only follow sources in your social media whom you agree with, you can choose to not even be “friends” with those who share differing views. When you type in a search term in Google now an algorithm returns the most likely responses suited to your personal preferences, so when you “google” the “facts” of something it’ll return what you want to see, the ultimate confirmation bias. Watch the brilliant Netflix Documentary “The Social Dilemma” for a fascinating expose of this.

This has given rise to a large proportion of society whom believes anyone with different views is a idiot, a brainwashed “sheep” or an outright enemy. Politics has become especially divided and vicious in the last few years. As people contract further into their respective bubbles it becomes harder for them to break out of them. Any society in which one half of the country thinks the other half are downright evil is never going to succeed. Watch then as societies that do not feature this division begin to prosper, even if they do not hold the traditional democratic societal norms that we have all been accustomed to.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 09:48
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Another item on an ever lengthening list proving the benefits of being a chum of Boris. From this week’s Private Eye:



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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 10:54
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Personally I don’t think any bishops (Lords Spiritual) should be in the HoL, or retired ones given peerages.

if there are to be any, why not equally those from the RC church and the Chief Rabbi amongst others?

But others will know my jaundiced opinion if established religion and its primates.

As, an aside, brings to mind the point that he was nominated by No 10, but reportedly the appointment was delayed by the House of Lords Appointments Commission (Holac), whilst his role in the ongoing Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse in the CoE was still unclear. (report issued on 6th Oct).

His appointment is now being rushed through, hopefully it won’t come back to bite anyone...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-says-inquiry

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-john-sentamu




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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 12:02
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And the explanation for Boris's brother receiving a peerage is ?
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
And the explanation for Boris's brother receiving a peerage is ?
Nepotism!

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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 12:16
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And the explanation for Boris's brother receiving a peerage is ?
Ex-minister who might be useful to a future government.
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