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Old 11th Oct 2020, 11:21
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Anxious Boris Johnson seeks a makeover
As long as Cummings isn't involved, much of his problem has been caused by his "advisor", and Johnson's slavish following of his advice.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 11:39
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MPs Pay Rise

Well, of course they deserve every penny.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54481234
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 11:45
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Well, of course they deserve every penny.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54481234

As someone posted in the jokes thread, rather than give them a pay rise, why don't we just go out on the streets and clap?
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 13:09
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I realised very early on in my working life, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. As with anything, we get what we pay for and parliament is full of them. I would not be an MP for what they get paid and its hardly surprising that they take outside jobs to top up what they get for being an MP.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 13:09
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Further to my earlier post Jenrick, he of the planning scam for Richard Desmond, is now involved in scamming public money intended for deprived areas. His constituency of Nottinghamshire North is ranked 270 on the deprivation list. The money was intended for the 100 most deprived areas. Jenrick and his mate have nominated one another's constituencies for aid furthering the evidence that he is not entirely above board in his dealings.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 13:35
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
I realised very early on in my working life, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. As with anything, we get what we pay for and parliament is full of them. I would not be an MP for what they get paid and its hardly surprising that they take outside jobs to top up what they get for being an MP.
Funnily enough, lots of other people also take second jobs on account of being, erm, poorly paid ......so no doubt many would also wish their second job paid a pittance of a mere £60 k for, in effect, "working " for one day a month. ..makes you wonder if her 7 hrs a day includes a paid, or unpaid, meal break.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 13:49
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Their basic is already UKP80,000.

And they get the best Pensions . Even better than the Civil Service.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 13:52
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
I realised very early on in my working life, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. As with anything, we get what we pay for and parliament is full of them. I would not be an MP for what they get paid and its hardly surprising that they take outside jobs to top up what they get for being an MP.
I agree, the press is up in arms every time there is the sniff of a pay rise for MPs or ministers, and normally as a result of a braying press pack any proposed increase gets watered down or dropped all together. The result is that if you really want make a living, and are any good at what you do you'll take a job in industry or commerce. What is more, when you work in industry you get the "luxury" of a consultation period before being ceremoniously chucked out of your job, and whether you performed well or badly in your role, as a MP that holds little or know weight, it's more to do with whether the party you represent is in or out of favour with the electorate in your constituency.

How many captains of industry or clever economists or scientists would take a job as an MP? Answer, very few, so you wind up with "professional politicians" who have done a degree in politics, become a parliamentary advisor, then find a seat which they can contest at a general or bi-election. No experience of the real world, working in a real job, making real money and deal with real life staffing or employment issues. That's how we wind up with a pretty motley bunch of career politicians in charge of the country.

Pay them properly, and make sure they are given ministerial jobs that marry up with the experience they have of the real world.

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Old 11th Oct 2020, 13:54
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Their basic is already UKP80,000.

And they get the best Pensions . Even better than the Civil Service.
A decent sales person can earn that, and get a company car, private healthcare, and a reasonable pension for that. And that's before you start on performance bonusses. £80k isn't that great a figure, albeit a deal more than I am raking in at present.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 14:15
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From various sources comes the little gem that the newly appointed 'Czar of keeping people out', or whatever his title, has suggested that we should use a net as preventative measure ... ummm, well, yes, or maybe no, or where does one go after "lunatics running the asylum", "a village is missing its resident idiot", "hitting your head with a hammer is good, 'cos it's nice when you stop" as a suitable epigram?
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 14:19
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You forgot - "His men will follow him, out of morbid curiosity about where he is going"
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 14:21
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
From various sources comes the little gem that the newly appointed 'Czar of keeping people out', or whatever his title, has suggested that we should use a net as preventative measure ... ummm, well, yes, or maybe no, or where does one go after "lunatics running the asylum", "a village is missing its resident idiot", "hitting your head with a hammer is good, 'cos it's nice when you stop" as a suitable epigram?
Sounds like a "Priti" useless plan that might have been hatched by Patel. I can't imagine for one moment that this would be a runner under UN humanitarian conventions. Would probably be a hit with Daily Express readers though.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 14:25
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
A decent sales person can earn that, and get a company car, private healthcare, and a reasonable pension for that. And that's before you start on performance bonusses. £80k isn't that great a figure, albeit a deal more than I am raking in at present.
I don't want to pay for a sales person. I want to pay for an MP. Some great sales folk earn lots. Others earn a lot less.
Our local MP is in a totally secure seat. The local Tories would vote for a monkey if a monkey stood. Our MP is not, by repute, a monkey.
The MP in question is normally referred to as invisible.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 15:10
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How about a rule that before standing as a MP you must have at least 10 years in a real job (ie not as a advisor to another politician the job must be unrelated to politics)
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 15:50
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It would appear this hamsterwheel has now reached the same conclusions as the previous hamsterwheels, we should have politicians who know what they are doing and govern accordingly.

Previous hamsterwheels also concluded that can't happen under the present system.

I look forward to a 'how to change the present system wheel'.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 20:14
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People who want power should not be permitted to get it. The more power that comes with a position, the more likely it is to attract the megalomaniacs. This is why you don't see the nutters fighting for the job of Prime Minister of Denmark, for example. Ireland got a new Taoiseach (Prime Minister) in June, MicheŠl Martin, and I hardly know a thing about him, and don't really need to. It took a coalition, so his predecessor is now his deputy, which is not something you can seriously imagine happening in Venezuela, Russia ... or the USA.
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 08:53
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Originally Posted by bnt View Post
People who want power should not be permitted to get it. The more power that comes with a position, the more likely it is to attract the megalomaniacs. This is why you don't see the nutters fighting for the job of Prime Minister of Denmark, for example. Ireland got a new Taoiseach (Prime Minister) in June, MicheŠl Martin, and I hardly know a thing about him, and don't really need to. It took a coalition, so his predecessor is now his deputy, which is not something you can seriously imagine happening in Venezuela, Russia ... or the USA.
Getting rid of the gerrymandering FPTP would be a good starting point.
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 09:45
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How do you propose we do that? Its already been voted down once.
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 12:02
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How do you propose we do that? Its already been voted down once.
Won't happen, but I would propose a Royal Commission made up of non party appointees to look at how UK democracy works with the findings to be binding on the government.

Otherwise the main parties would simply ignore them. No requirement to put them to referendum, as with Brexit the majority simply aren't knowledgeable enough to make an informed judgement.




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Old 12th Oct 2020, 12:45
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I would cut the number of MP.s and increase their salary but would put a block on none exec posts for a period after they leave or lose their seat.. To be honest the £60K is about the going rate for a none exec in that level of business, it goes higher for larger businesses , and no I would not wish to be an MP either. Sorry about previous spelling I left glasses at home !!.

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