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Old 28th Sep 2020, 12:16
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Many years ago I received bollocking at work for doing something that saved money, but was misinterpreted by the media. My boss was at pains to point out that what really mattered was being seen to do the right thing, more than actually doing the right thing. It seems that many in government might benefit from this bit of guidance. If nothing else it might slightly reduce the number of U turns the government makes, although frankly I doubt there's anything the present government can do to gain public confidence under the present PM.
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 12:18
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I am working on the assumption that Johnson and his (unelected) cronie are hell bent on falling headlong over the transition cliff, satisfying a comparative handful fishermen at the expense of putting the rest of the economy and the working population in (greater) economic peril. I do realise that Johnson, probably more than any other PM in recent times is more than capable of a screeching hand break turn, but I fear his master m(DC) may be somewhat more stoical.

As for Covid-19 and the catalogue of errors that the government has made, I am not at all sure that any alternative government, of whatever colour, would have done a lot better. Looking further afield the UK government has in comparison done worse than some, better than others
Or the oxygen thieves that make up the ERG

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Old 28th Sep 2020, 12:18
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Resigning might do it??
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 12:51
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
No, you are quite right, though I did miss out the 'blue rinse brigade'
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Shame on you, I Shoot and Fish, and was once a member of the Tory Party, and attended two conferences, but this is not the Tory party I was involved with, and I do not recognise it as such. I left the Tory fold having witnessed two Tory MP,s at a dinner party at friends house after they had too much to drink, tell us how well they were doing out of the Cash for Questions. Fortunately they got caught and had to fess up. I have had a healthy disdain for most politicians ever since that evening, but I still shoot and fish.

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Old 28th Sep 2020, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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Shame on you, I Shoot and Fish, and was once a member of the Tory Party, and attended two conferences, but this is not the Tory party I was involved with, and I do not recognise it as such. I left the Tory fold having witnessed two Tory MP,s at a dinner party at friends house after they had too much to drink, tell us how well they were doing out of the Cash for Questions. Fortunately they got caught and had to fess up. I have had a healthy disdain for most politicians ever since that evening, but I still shoot and fish.

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Mr Mac,

You only have to look at current Tory MPs and the likes of Andrew Bridgen to see that my gross generalisations are inaccurate today!!! They are more reminiscent of the Tory party from the 50s and 60s, but mud sticks. I accept my chastisement!!

I do neither hunting nor fishing, however I enjoy the profits of the labours of both groups. Actually I could never see the point if shooting anything, or fishing something out of the water unless you were going to eat it. Had some excellent Reh last week, and real (brown) trout rather than the commercial rainbow stuff, which though tasty enough is hardly a replacement for "Bachforelle".
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 12:45
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I should have pointed out that yes we do eat what I shoot and catch, though all my fish are returned, though not when Game Fishing in the tropics where Kingfish and Tuna / Dorado are retained. My shooting is small scale with typically 120 approx a day (Pheasant / Duck) not the big commercial shoots where many 100 are shot, and to be honest I only take high birds anyway. Glad you enjoyed your trip to Germany. As for Tory MP,s there a re a few that have what it takes, as indeed there maybe in the other parties, but generally I am not impressed with the current crop.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 06:46
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Always reassuring to learn a PM isn't familiar with his own policies .....plus, as the Churchillian stance has now declined, a reprise of another prominent UK political figure was only a matter of time......enter Cromwell although Boris has not declared himself to be the Lord High Protector....as yet. A special mention for the Education Minister who said she didn't know the answer to a perfectly reasonable question as she "didn't represent the N.East "......,

However, it appears that other much uttered mantra "lessons will be learned " has actually happened. When Sir Graham Brady enters the arena then it's time to take notice. Clearly, there's no intention to have a reprise of the fiasco Treeza induced with Boris......please consult your local bookmaker for his ETD therefore.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 11:57
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For those anticipating new additions to their local skyline, otherwise known as hospitals, and recall Boris's promises.....alas

Taken from a piece in today's Guardian....." Of the 40, 26 form part of the second phase of the infrastructure plan, due to take place between 2025 and 2030. Six more are planned under the first stage, by 2025. Of the other eight, four are already being built, and four more are awaiting final approval.

Additionally, more than half the projects are not new hospitals as such, but comprise rebuilding projects on existing sites, consolidations of other hospitals, or extra units."

You don't have to be mathematically inclined to be able to see the, ahem ! " slight discrepancies" n the above figures..
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 18:20
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If the number of pieces in today's print press about how BoJo has lost the support of a sizeable proportion of Tory MPs, together with the articles about his incompetence and failure quoting "Westminster sources" is a guide, Bojo is by now sewn into a sailcloth shroud, last stitch through the nose,20 lb cannon ball tied to his feet, ready to be launched into the deep by the Conservatives, just like any sailor no longer fit for purpose.

The final sign that BoJo is finished will be Michael Gove openly criticising him, as well as continuing with surreptitiously briefing against him. He needs to boost his chances of being the successor, and in the fine Westminster tradition administering the coup de grace to his friend would improve his chances. (If the strategy works it would prove, once again, that scum rises to the top.)

Let's not forget how all Margeret Thatcher's closest friends and colleagues distanced themselves just before they dumped her, and then proved that scum does rise to the top..

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Old 4th Oct 2020, 18:41
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I think that Boris is doing as well as can be expected in these difficult times. Lets not hope that Gove rises to the top. Long days ahead.
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 19:18
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Originally Posted by old,not bold View Post
Let's not forget how all Margeret Thatcher's closest friends and colleagues distanced themselves just before they dumped her, and then proved that scum does rise to the top..
I think that is a bit harsh on John Major who IMHO was not bad when compared with what came after him. My take on that, was that the ones that wanted the job could not agree on who should have it and chose JM with the anticipation that they were going to lose the next election anyway, which he didn't, probably because enough of the electorate though he was ok, especially compared to the opposition, Neil Kinnock?

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Old 4th Oct 2020, 21:46
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Poor old Bojo. How things have changed on PPRuNe since March.

I too think Boris is beginning to shine, he is coming across as forthright and honest, a refreshing change. He gives off a confidence that the Country needs, Sunak is also impressing on the briefings. letís hope they can keep it up.
I, very reluctantly have to agree about Boris. I may detest the man with a passion, but in terms of clear leadership right now he's doing a pretty good job (nearly choked on that. . . ).
One thing I actually really like is the way he lets his ministers brief on their own departmentís actions.

Critics see it as abdication of responsibility. I see it as effective delegation.
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 22:36
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None from me. He was, and is, both a lazy minister and Mayor, and now a lack lustre PM, who may well go down as one of the worst PM in UK history (and we have had some poor ones from all parties !). Will be interesting to see some historical context to his premiership in say 25 years if I am still around, and as long as records not redacted / shredded.
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 22:38
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Poor old Bojo. How things have changed on PPRuNe since March.
It's not so much his handling of Covid; difficult to see what others could have done better given the unprecedented nature. What's damaging him, with people like me, is his insistence on mindless soundbites like BuildBuildBuild, his dogmatic determination to throw 100 Bn at a high speed train that practically none of the electorate want, his desire to further rip up the planning system and push on with building 300k houses per annum. The world has moved on, people don't want this garbage any more, simply so a handful of party donors can get richer whilst the environment gets trashed.
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 22:53
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and as long as records not redacted / shredded.
The way history keeps being re-written and/or sanitized these days, I don't think many of the facts will be reported ....
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 22:53
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
It's not so much his handling of Covid; difficult to see what others could have done better given the unprecedented nature. What's damaging him, with people like me, is his insistence on mindless soundbites like BuildBuildBuild, his dogmatic determination to throw 100 Bn at a high speed train that practically none of the electorate want, his desire to further rip up the planning system and push on with building 300k houses per annum. The world has moved on, people don't want this garbage any more, simply so a handful of party donors can get richer whilst the environment gets trashed.
I disagree with what you post far more often than I agree with it andrewn. In this case, however, I can not really pick a hole in the majority of it.

Except the Covid bit. I am prepared to cut him some slack as far as the first wave goes. He was faced, as all Western leaders were, with an unprecedented situation for which the country was poorly prepared and equipped.

There can be no excuses, nor slack given, for the coming months.

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Old 4th Oct 2020, 23:12
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I hope your wrong, and maybe due to IT, it will be more difficult to redact or dispose of all the evidence. Indeed due to the nature of this Govt something's may well leak earlier, I am an encourage able optimist in that regards

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Other nations have done a lot better, but I do agree with you re HS2 and changes to planning regs.
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 23:39
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Originally Posted by Alsacienne View Post
The way history keeps being re-written and/or sanitized these days, I don't think many of the facts will be reported ....
Doesn't help when the can't even count accurately.
An issue was identified overnight on Friday 2 October in the automated process that transfers positive cases data to PHE. It has now been resolved.
Even if they have realised they co**ed up and have fessed up to their failings, it makes you wonder what else they have got wrong and what impact those mistakes have made......

Downgrading the virus on 19th March
Releasing the shielders back into society on the 1st August

are just two decision that may have got wrong if thee numbers they were using weren't right and as for that gobbledegook R number who knows
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 07:09
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Poor old Bojo. How things have changed on PPRuNe since March.
You may be aghast to learn my opinion of Boris remains undiminished ......a nice selection of selective quotes however, albeit thoughtfully not attributed to their original contributor(s) although it would be interesting to learn if they still hold the same views.

There again, here on JB, some are easily lured by the siren calls and combination of charisma and a narcissus personality.......some may recall the fulsome praise lavished on UKIP ( V.1 c/o Nige ) in this respect a few years ago as being the political future of the UK......alas.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 10:27
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I was also curious about that KnC. Turns out that the 3 quotes are from consecutive posts, #1478 to 1480, should anyone else be curious as to the originators.
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