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Old 25th Jun 2020, 16:12
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The Independent article referred to contains the quote from interviewee Maxine Peake:

Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.
You can't crticise Israel in any way within the UK establishment.
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 16:31
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Just when will politicians realise that Twitter is not for them, it is full of hazards and traps. I really wish they would all stop using this advertising and marketing platform, it is anything but social and is just an echo chamber for the hard of thinking.

Ditto FB etc.

Lets get back to serious adult communication.
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 18:01
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Originally Posted by CW247 View Post
You can't crticise Israel in any way within the UK establishment.
I don't think that was the issue. I think you've got to see it in a political context.

While I'm no fan of RL-B, I don't think there was anything remotely anti-semitic in her re-tweeting of Maxine Peake's interview. Her real crime was being a bit too dim to realise she was handing Kier Starmer a golden opportunity to further marginalise the Corbynite faction in Labour.

Reality check. This has nothing but upside for Kier Starmer. After the Cummings debacle, he looks principled by comparison with Boris Johnson. He's scored an important PR victory with the Jewish community. And he's been able to quickly dispose of a political rival who - lets face it - was only given a shadow cabinet job as a sop to the hard left and who was on borrowed time anyway. It's a win-win-win; Starmer probably can't believe his luck.

Many here will praise him of course. The real test will come when one of his own close allies gets caught with their fingers in the till.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 14:22
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https://news.sky.com/story/armed-pol...asgow-12015385

Glasgow: 'Three dead' after stabbing attack in city centre

At least three people are believed to have been killed in an incident in Glasgow city centre, Sky News understands.

A male suspect was shot by an armed police officer. It is not clear whether the three dead include the suspect.

A male officer is among those injured and has been taken to hospital with knife wounds. Police said the incident was now contained and did not present a risk to the wider public.......
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 14:30
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6 people now reported to be in hospital with injuries including the police officer who is in critical but stable condition.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 15:41
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Originally Posted by CW247 View Post
The Independent article referred to contains the quote from interviewee Maxine Peake:



You can't crticise Israel in any way within the UK establishment.
You can, but this wasn't criticism, it was a lie, one that causes jews to be targeted around the world....yet again.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...police-forces-
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Flyingbadge View Post
You can, but this wasn't criticism, it was a lie, one that causes jews to be targeted around the world....yet again.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...police-forces-
Criticism is one thing, spreading fake news is another and Becky deserved to be fired, and Starmer was probably more than happy that she gave him a reason to fire her. I would suggest that other prominent Corbinistas in the shadow cabinet keep their noses extremely clean, otherwise they'll find themselves taking a swift trip to the back benches, not to mention a pay cut!

I like the cut of his jib.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 16:18
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Starmer is leading the wrong party. He would be a great replacement for Johnson.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 17:18
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Anyone leading any other party. Any of them would be a great replacement for Johnson.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 17:22
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If, and it's a big if, Starmer continues to 'hoe his own row', the one thing he should avoid like the plague would be any involvement with Cummings' tame flock! Early days yet and Lansman's lot won't go quietly. Starmer has two difficulties to deal with, the buffoon's yesmen and women and Lansman, Mc Donnell and Mc Cluskey's unmoving idealogues. Oh, and the bias of the Great British Press. If he can cope with that lot and survive, he deserves respect. He'll need more than respect to grab my vote!
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 11:25
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If by “hoe his own row” you mean take the opportunity of an open goal to remove a political enemy then I agree, Cornish. But that hardly makes Starmer a political colossus, albeit an improvement on his predecessor. And the significant dissent that’s arisen shows nothing much else has changed inside Labour.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 13:59
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If by ďhoe his own rowĒ you mean take the opportunity of an open goal to remove a political enemy then I agree, Cornish. But that hardly makes Starmer a political colossus, albeit an improvement on his predecessor. And the significant dissent thatís arisen shows nothing much else has changed inside Labour.
By Labour standards the dissent has been very muted. It continues to amaze me that politicians donít carefully read any links in posts they like/retweet etc - the number of them that have got caught out like this, often unintentionally I suspect, just grows and grows.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 14:52
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It’s your assumption it was unintentional. Alternatively she believed the party would let her get away with the gratuitously inflammatory false claim.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 16:03
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Anyone like to take a guess of the amount of the rumoured VAT reduction?
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 16:50
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The more he gives away in VAT, the less he will have to pay out in unemployment benefits. A little will not do a lot, so in excess of 5% would be my guess. The economy needs a serious kick start so could be 8 - 10% for a limited period if he has any sense. Needs to encourage people to spend their savings, it's not doing any good in ISA's.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 21:17
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Just seen a report on BBC that Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill moves to ' another role' in September.

Has Cummings influenced this?
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Just seen a report on BBC that Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill moves to ' another role' in September.

Has Cummings influenced this?
Letís hope so and that they are speeding the process of filling roles with can-dooers (yes people) and blue-sky thinkers (2-move chess players). Then it wonít be long before they can sit back and realise that you canít run things when you have stripped the operative apparatus of decades of its experience and competence.

Mao must be gurgling with glee in his grave thinking his ideas are due for a renaissance - by the British Conservative Party 🤣🤣
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 09:36
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
The more he gives away in VAT, the less he will have to pay out in unemployment benefits. A little will not do a lot, so in excess of 5% would be my guess. The economy needs a serious kick start so could be 8 - 10% for a limited period if he has any sense. Needs to encourage people to spend their savings, it's not doing any good in ISA's.
Germany is reducing their VAT from 19% to 16% from 1st July. Will retailers, hotelliers, restaurants pass the reduction on? I suspect in Germany they might as there's sure to be a law about it. If the UK did the same I'd be less certain that there wouldn't be profiteering. Also, the area that really needs the support is travel and tourism, yet the UK has one of the highest, if not THE HIGHEST rate of VAT on hotel accommodation (as opposed to food and drink). A intelligent move would be to reduce VAT on rooms only to the minimum rate of 5% - same as for utilities; it could be done under EU regs., but will it be? Somehow I doubt it, the hospitality sector has been highlighting this disparity for years to no avail.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 11:25
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Just seen a report on BBC that Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill moves to ' another role' in September.

Has Cummings influenced this?
Had to use the 'quote' function for this, just to check that it is actually real!
I don't read the Press but even with my 'deprived' lifestyle that question ranks with one on bears' faecal habits and something on a notable Catholic!
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 11:41
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Whether you read the press or not, Cornish, Boris laid out his agenda very clearly before the recent election. Itís equally clear Mr Sedwill (and you) disapprove. Thatís a pity for you both but life goes on.
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