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Old 28th May 2020, 17:36
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
And why is this case any different from all the others in the Durham police area ?
How many of the other people in the Durham area who went out and about whilst knowingly showing signs of being positive for Covid-19 were instrumental in writing those guidelines and having a major influence on the PM?
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Old 28th May 2020, 17:37
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Anyone think with the nice weather over the weekend many people will obey the new rules and wait for their 6 person barbecue until Monday?
Not a cat in hell's chance, though we have resolved not to visit our daughter and grandkids until next Thursday. I think we'll be in the minority.
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Old 28th May 2020, 17:47
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post

I strongly suspect that it may be because Cummings is far, far more intelligent than Johnson, Johnson knows it, and what's more had become wholly dependent on Cummings being his "ideas man". Cummings seems keen to fulfil that role, as it seems that he's motivated by seeing his ideas turned into reality. For as long as his ideas align with Johnson's goals, then he has to stay. I think Johnson's biggest fear is that if he loses Cummings he simply won't be able to function as PM.
Not in the least bit far fetched, long thought as much and it is becoming more obvious as each day goes by. As I said in my earlier posts DC is untouchable...for now.
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Old 28th May 2020, 18:39
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I wonder if anyone has told Priti.....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ents-says-raab

UK says it will extend Hongkongers' visa rights if China pursues security laws
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Old 28th May 2020, 19:07
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I have only just got round to reading the lawyer's analysis of that statement. It explains something that puzzled me at the time but couldn't then put a finger on.

On the many occasions I have sat and listened to someone reading a paper, and on the fewer times when I have had to read one to an audience, it has never been read exactly to the written text. There is a natural tendency when reading it aloud to add a couple of words of illustration, or perhaps drop out a phrase that seems at the time to be redundant.
Cummings didn't do that. Even when he turned over the page in the middle of his flow and must have known what was coming next, he stopped until he could read the top of the next sheet to be absolutely sure of his words. It's clear that he had been instructed not to deviate from the prepared script in any way at all.
I read a Twitter quote from a lawyer to the effect that the last time he heard a spiel like that, it was preceded by

"My client would like to read a prepared statement, Your Honour" ...
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Old 28th May 2020, 19:20
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Anyone else watch today’s press conference and sense tension between Boris and the scientists? They seemed a bit chippy compared to their usual demeanour, and not just when the journos were trying to get them to condemn Cummings.
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Old 28th May 2020, 19:28
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Anyone else watch today’s press conference and sense tension between Boris and the scientists? They seemed a bit chippy compared to their usual demeanour, and not just when the journos were trying to get them to condemn Cummings.
I got the distinct impression they were'nt entirely happy with the loosening of the lockdown.
Vallance in particular was quite downbeat following on from BoJo...
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Old 28th May 2020, 19:28
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Anyone else watch today’s press conference and sense tension between Boris and the scientists? They seemed a bit chippy compared to their usual demeanour, and not just when the journos were trying to get them to condemn Cummings.
They must have realised by now that they will be blamed for any wrong decision taken by Johnnings.
"We only followed the experts' advice"©
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Old 28th May 2020, 19:50
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They must have realised by now that they will be blamed for any wrong decision taken by Johnnings.
"We only followed the experts' advice to get Covidummings done and move on.
Better Drifting slightly... I sincerely hope Bozza buys his suits at Asda-Man. They cannot possibly cost more than £50 apiece. Can they?

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Old 28th May 2020, 19:50
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I don’t think they were upset with Boris, they were upset with being in the firing line. Which was exemplified when Boris apologised to them after being forced by repeated requests to answer a Cummings related question - to paraphrase, “I’m sorry, you shouldn’t have to face questions like this, unfortunately I do”.

The one time they did push back was when Boris directed the question about the 2m rule towards them. (The hospitality industry is desperate to get it reduced to 1m as in some places in Europe).

Whitty was quite ex0licit the 2m rule had to me maintained, especially with the rules being relaxed. Vallance, however, made it quite clear that they as scientists they just provided a guide as to the various risks at 1, 1.5, 2m etc and the choice of which should be selected was a purely political decision.
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Old 28th May 2020, 21:45
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Watching BBC News he papers seems that there's a picture of Dominic C on front page of the Daily Mail giving the impression he's thinking of leaving in 6 months, must we that that long !
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Old 28th May 2020, 21:52
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As has been said, the Durham police were very careful to state there had been a minor breach of the regulations - rather than of the law......

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...navirus-crisis

The maximum fixed penalty notice at the time was £60, reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days. Hardly surprising the police decided to take no further action.
They may have said regulations but the implication is clearly a reference to the law. This is obvious when you read their first paragraph:
"Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father’s premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation 6 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020. (We are concerned here with breaches of the Regulations, not the general Government guidance to “stay at home”.)"
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Old 28th May 2020, 22:10
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One for you; One for me; One for you; One for me
What are you counting Daddy?
Rules, son.
Yes, it is related to the horrible member from Durham.
In the Lake District 16 people were fined £100 each for "staying away from their home overnight".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-52835211
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Old 28th May 2020, 22:35
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KelvinD,

Reading their statement in full they don’t actual accuse him of any breach whatsoever, only suggested there might have been.

As you quote, reference his trip to Durham: “Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father’s premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence”.

And they go to say with regard to his trip to Barnard Castle : “Durham Constabulary have examined the circumstances surrounding the journey to Barnard Castle.... and have concluded that there might have been a minor breach of the Regulations”. But since no officer spoke to him at the time it cannot be ascertained if one did, or did not, occur.

But since they have decided to take no action it is irrelevant in any case.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...n-t-harm-boris

Why the Dominic Cummings row won’t harm Boris

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...n-blackford-mp

Letters from the Cabinet Secretary to Rachel Reeves MP and Ian Blackford MP


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Old 28th May 2020, 23:18
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Alistair Campbell has probably lifted Boris’ ratings by about 5-10 points tonight. if you go on Twitter the post has now been removed, but to late to stop it being copied.....

https://order-order.com/2020/05/28/h...-war-veterans/

Help for Heroes shames Alastair Campbell

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Old 29th May 2020, 06:25
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Alistair Campbell has probably lifted Boris’ ratings by about 5-10 points tonight. if you go on Twitter the post has now been removed, but to late to stop it being copied.....

https://order-order.com/2020/05/28/h...-war-veterans/

Help for Heroes shames Alastair Campbell

​​​​​​​https://twitter.com/helpforheroes/st...411376645?s=21
For people to find that offensive, skins must be getting rather thin! He was wearing someone's GSM. Presumably, that would have been loaned to him by a veteran so there is at least one veteran who didn't find it offensive. Add me to that total. There was absolutely no mocking of war veterans in his rather silly clip. I know this because he was mocking Johnson and Johnson is definitely NOT a war veteran.
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Old 29th May 2020, 07:33
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I do not like Campbell, and as you say not that great a video, but the mess must be losing its sense of humour to be offended by it.
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Old 29th May 2020, 07:48
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How much further can this country's politics sink?
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Old 29th May 2020, 08:38
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How much further can this country's politics sink?
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Look over the pond.
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Old 29th May 2020, 08:48
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