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Old 17th Apr 2020, 00:23
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Judging by the arrival of charter flights full of Romanian crop pickers into Stansted today the UK seems reluctant to give up on the seasonal workers that were the crux of the Leave campaign.

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Old 17th Apr 2020, 07:01
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But the central argument for Brexit is that we wouldn't bring in foreign labour for low paid work.
no it wasn’t. controlling our own borders means allowing seasonal workers entry, if they’re needed.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 07:51
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Pantomime season has come early, I'll counter with 'we will use all our British unemployed to pick fruit'. Behind you!
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 09:08
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Originally Posted by Flyingbadge View Post
no it wasn’t. controlling our own borders means allowing seasonal workers entry, if they’re needed.
Oh yes it was!!
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 09:17
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The remain supporters have constantly harped on and on about Brexit being about stopping foreigners coming to the UK, yet all the leave supporters I've met have made it clear that they didn't support this view at all. The major leave concerns seemed to have been about increasing control from the EU and the lack of freedom the UK had in deciding its own destiny. Might be because many of the leave supporters I know are farmers, although few farms around here employ migrant workers. FWIW, farms have always employed migrant workers, since long before we joined the EEC/EU. I went bean picking in Suffolk in the 1960's, and many of our fellow workers were migrants.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 09:35
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The remain supporters have constantly harped on and on about Brexit being about stopping foreigners coming to the UK, yet all the leave supporters I've met have made it clear that they didn't support this view at all. The major leave concerns seemed to have been about increasing control from the EU and the lack of freedom the UK had in deciding its own destiny. Might be because many of the leave supporters I know are farmers, although few farms around here employ migrant workers. FWIW, farms have always employed migrant workers, since long before we joined the EEC/EU. I went bean picking in Suffolk in the 1960's, and many of our fellow workers were migrants.
A very significant part of the Brexit vote had to do with identity and change. Immigration was a key part of a protest against a feeling of not having control.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 09:36
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Originally Posted by Flyingbadge View Post
no it wasn’t. controlling our own borders means allowing seasonal workers entry, if they’re needed.
Well then I think you may find that a goodly proportion of that 52% will be extremely disappointed to find that wasn't the case. Certainly most of those who I knew were under that impression. So just another case of Brexit disinformation then.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 09:38
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Well then I think you may find that a goodly proportion of that 52% will be extremely disappointed to find that wasn't the case. Certainly most of those who I knew were under that impression. So just another case of Brexit disinformation then.
i too went bean picking in Suffolk in the 1960's and the only foreigners I encountered lived in the next village.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 10:02
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 10:04
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Well then I think you may find that a goodly proportion of that 52% will be extremely disappointed to find that wasn't the case. Certainly most of those who I knew were under that impression. So just another case of Brexit disinformation then.


Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Everybody who was part of the 52% voted for a variety of reasons but I think very few were against the employment of seasonal workers as they predate the formation of the EU or I think, even the EEC. I think you will find that, when it comes to immigration, people were against low skilled people arriving in the country and being unable to find work and subsequently remained due to the idiocy of our Government as most countries in the EU would have ejected them if they hadn't found work in 3-6 months. One of the reasons I voted to leave was to make our Government responsible for their actions and not have the default fallback position of "it's the EU's fault" when it clearly wasn't.


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Old 17th Apr 2020, 10:17
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Well then I think you may find that a goodly proportion of that 52% will be extremely disappointed to find that wasn't the case. Certainly most of those who I knew were under that impression. So just another case of Brexit disinformation then.
I think it depends upon where you are, and who you talked to. North Nottinghamshire is very insular, and not overly receptive to foreigners - to put it tactfully - nd that goes back to the arrival of Ugandan Asians in the early 70s.. Go to parts of Lincolnshire, such as Boston and Spalding and I'm sure you'll here pretty xenophobic attitudes, largely because they see their corner shops becoming Polish / eastern European orientated, and predominantly non-English languages being spoken in the streets. With Romanians being shipped in to harvest fruit and veg even on a short term basis those people aren't going to be very happy, to put it mildly.

Go to other, better healed parts of the country, and you're perhaps more likely to here the "take back control" point of view.

Whatever, it is what it is.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 13:40
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Taken from the Guardian about a certain 99yr old gentleman.....

" The prime minister’s spokesman told a Westminster briefing: “From his military contributions to his support for NHS staff, Tom has demonstrated a lifetime of bravery and compassion. The prime minister will certainly be looking at ways to recognise Tom’s heroic efforts.”

How about letting him address the nation from a podium given he's singlehandedly demonstrated more leadership and capability than any of those that appear with monotony to trot out the message. Shame he's a bit too old to take over from Boris really...…I'm not normally a fan of the honours system but a knighthood in the very next available list shouldn't even be beyond Boris's limited abilities to ensure happens.

And as a further mark of respect, his inevitable funeral costs should be borne by the state with no expense spared.

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Old 17th Apr 2020, 15:42
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Might be because many of the leave supporters I know are farmers, although few farms around here employ migrant workers.
Just curious, but what type of farms are these?
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 15:46
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Just curious, but what type of farms are these?

Mainly arable, some dairy, but, being Wiltshire, also lots and lots of pigs (don't really need migrant "pig pickers" . . . ).
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 18:45
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Mainly arable, some dairy, but, being Wiltshire, also lots and lots of pigs (don't really need migrant "pig pickers" . . . ).
But you do need migrant abattoir workers (think it's 95%+), creamery workers, vets...
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 20:09
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No summer holiday for Grant Shapps

Nice to hear our transport minister backing holiday companies and airlines on Radio 4 this morning.

The government has in effect warned Britons against planning a summer holiday this year, whether in the UK or abroad, prompting an angry reaction from the travel industry, which is warning that many firms in the sector could collapse.

The response from Abta, the UK’s trade association for holiday operators and travel agents, came after Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, cast doubt on a sufficiently rapid lifting of social distancing or travel restrictions imposed due to Covid-19.

“I won’t be booking a summer holiday at this point. Let’s put it that way,” Shapps told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme when asked if people should think about booking a break in the coming months.

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Old 17th Apr 2020, 20:46
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
But you do need migrant abattoir workers (think it's 95%+), creamery workers, vets...
The abattoir our pig farm (well, my late Mother's) used was a family run business, with no migrant workers. All the local pig farms sequenced their 12 week fattening cycle. so the workload was constant. Every 12 weeks we'd take ~800 pigs there, over a period of about three days. This sequencing was coordinated locally, as it suited everyone. The 8 week weaner cycle interlaced with the 12 week fattening cycle, and both suited the feed merchants, who could schedule in the different feeds needed for each production phase at each unit.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Satoshi Nakamoto View Post
Nice to hear our transport minister backing holiday companies and airlines on Radio 4 this morning.
Not surprising given the utter lack of respect for THE LAW regarding refunds payable within 1 week.

Book now, pay now, then it’s cancelled, and never get refunded. Oh, sorry. You do get “A Voucher”. Wow. Thanks for that.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:10
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
But you do need migrant abattoir workers (think it's 95%+), creamery workers, vets...
You don't need migrant workers for creameries, as the work load is constant. You do need migrant workers for seasonal crops, that have different harvesting times, in totally different geographic regions.
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Old 17th Apr 2020, 22:16
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Great, so now we have airlines battling for survival and the British Government warning the public against booking holidays and my post gets banished to Jetblast. PPRuNe at its finest.

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