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Old 30th Nov 2019, 17:58
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Not aircraft - boots

The story is still the same...
https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...-martens-brand
"It was just a small question in our regular Consumer Champions column. Why, a reader asked, had her 170 Dr Martens boots fallen apart after just six months? The response was huge, with readers accusing the bootmaker of sacrificing quality, offshoring production and chasing profits under the ownership of a London-based private equity company a long way from its roots in Northamptonshire." (my bold)

Has anyone not owned at least one pair at sometime in their life?
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 18:04
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I haven't.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 18:24
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I owned a pair when I was a member of the infamous Botley Boot Boys back in the early 80's.
Great pair of boots that survived well the rigours of teenage. I do seem to remember however that when they started to fall to bits their demise came swiftly. But by then I was well in to my New Romantic phase and had an enormous pair of black suede "Zippys" to go with my Flock Of Seagulls hair.

Them were days. *sigh*
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 18:26
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I had a pair many years ago, comfortable but sartorially not to my taste. Now a pair of Meindl Desert Fox suede boots are my favourite.

As for chasing profits, outsourcing, sacrificing quality, that's the bean counter's mantra these days.
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Had a pair of shoes when I first worked on a civilian line......unfortunately, they weren't really compatible with fuel.... and Skydrol....
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Actually Dr Martens were one of the last shoe/boot manufacturers in Northamptonshire and were behind with the trend to import cheaper products and stop manufacturing locally, that's what led to their downfall and that of Max Griggs. Does anyone remember Rushden & Diamonds football club?!

They attempted to expand their production lines in the county when all those around them had started importing from afar, and this saddled them with too much in the way of overheads.

I believe the brand was bought out and thus they started to import rather than manufacture.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 19:34
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Originally Posted by Repos View Post
Has anyone not owned at least one pair at sometime in their life?
Not I, although Les Leston and Sparco equipped me for many years.

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Old 30th Nov 2019, 19:50
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What a boring bunch of buggers you are - you were no-one in the 80's if you didn't have a pair of Doc's.
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Had a pair of shoes when I first worked on a civilian line......unfortunately, they weren't really compatible with fuel.... and Skydrol....
I'm a bit surprised at that because I seemed to remember that one of their benefits was being resistant to oil etc. Maybe that was just the soles, or maybe just oil?
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I'm a bit surprised at that because I seemed to remember that one of their benefits was being resistant to oil etc. Maybe that was just the soles, or maybe just oil?
Me too Repos.

It stated quite plainly on the soul of the shoes that they were; Oil Resistant - maybe that didn't stretch to the high-fractional distillates...like Avgas or JetA

Maybe K'nC is an early victim of that for which he has my sympathy..
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 21:06
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Where I lived, anyone with a pair of Doc Marten boots in the 60s/70s was likely to also have worn a parkha or a Crombie coat and have been a "Skinhead" or a "Mod". Also if with own transport, likely to have ridden a Lambretta or a Vespa. I never had a pair of Docs, but I did have a pair of Belstaff motorcycle boots with a sheepskin lining.

Edit: I rode a BSA, not a flimsy scooter powered by wasps.

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Old 30th Nov 2019, 21:19
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I've had a couple of pairs but they look odd once you reach a certain age.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 22:42
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Polished up with a decent pair of trousers and a walking jacket they are perfect for surveying any type of property.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 00:48
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Yes had several pairs of boots and shoes over the years, they were incredibly comfortable, not bought since produced abroad.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 06:25
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Originally Posted by Repos View Post
I'm a bit surprised at that because I seemed to remember that one of their benefits was being resistant to oil etc. Maybe that was just the soles, or maybe just oil?
So was I at the time given as you say they were promoted as being resistant etc. It was the soles that failed so to speak......noticed they were becoming "squelchy " and bits sort of delaminating .......with the best will in the world, the manufacturers probably never thought about the effects of that wonderful substance known as Skydrol.

Early 80's I should add
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Never had reason to pay that sort of money, army surplus boots were more suitable to my pocket (and taste).

And sold at a profit fifty years on when they became collectable.
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My first pair of boots were called "Boots, DMS" and I have to say they were bloody good at keeping feet dry, providing you looked after them. I was also issued with a pair of "Boots, Cobbly Wobbly". I couldn't wait to get shot of them, replacing them with a pair of "Ammo Boots". Great boots for throwing you on your back when walking across a highly polished floor in the cookhouse!
I then went through a period of many years when I always assumed "Doc Martens" referred to animal medicines (Conditioning powders?)
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I remember well my first pair of boots. I hated them with a passion that knew no bounds. Mostly made from oak and Cowhide, 3/16ths thick, with steel toecaps, streel strip soles and sides. (I think they were called "Furnace Boots". De rigueur on a steel company, hot floor.
However, since at the tender age of seventeen I was employed as a "control driver" extracting 5-15 ton, white hot steel ingots from a continuous furnace prior to them being rolled out in a cogging mill into slabs, bars and billets. I often had to go down onto the furnace floor to get warmed up in the winter, or kick a wayward piece of red hot slag from blocking the run of the equipment.

Then came Her Majesties Pleasure. Oh the joys of real leather, polished to a mirror, comfortable over long distances, I only let my last ones go 20 years later.

Pull up a sandbag...

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Old 1st Dec 2019, 11:14
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Never owned any Doc Martens but have over 18 years of daily use from one pair of "Boots, Black, Soldier-crippling". One new set of heels, dozens of sets of new laces. Still going strong. Cost me 40 out the back door of Uniform Stores.
"If you look after yer boots, yer boots will look after you".
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Doc Martens have two lines available:

1. The lower cost version produced abroad and down to a price, but looks exactly the same.
2. The high cost version produced in Britain and marketed as a better quality product for those willing to pay more for the "genuine" article.

The UK produced footwear is typically sold in a demarcated area of the official stores with lots of Union flags.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.
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