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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 12:46
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
That, along with other incidents having no political exploitation or capital potential for Boris .....
Ahhh, so JC hasn't exploited it then...
And you expect people on JB to take you seriously...
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 14:16
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Ahhh, so JC hasn't exploited it then...
And you expect people on JB to take you seriously...
My commiserations ....run out of gripe water then ?

It's been widely reported on MSM the father of the gentleman murdered has expressly criticised Boris for making political capital out of the event.....feel free to show where he has criticised Corbyn in the same way.

The link below has nothing to do with the event, but, won't go down well with the Clarence and Lucinda brigade,....... and several of the chaps on here as well.

Finally, unlike, for example, you revered best chum on here, I don't actually give a rats toss abut what people think.

Will you be voting Labour at all ?



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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 15:41
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
It's been widely reported on MSM the father of the gentleman murdered has expressly criticised Boris for making political capital out of the event.....feel free to show where he has criticised Corbyn in the same way.
Well he wouldn't would he, as the lads father and Corbyn obviously lean the same political way.

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Finally, unlike, for example, you revered best chum on here, I don't actually give a rats toss abut what people think.
Nor me...

Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Will you be voting Labour at all ?
I'd rather have my teeth pulled out...

What's the point of voting when we have this lot to choose from...






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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 18:32
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Nige321

Love that, the likeness between Farage and Parker is uncanny; and also Corbyn and Albert Steptoe.

You ask a serious question:-

What's the point of voting when we have this lot to choose from...
The answer is simply that so long as we have a democratic system, however failed and undemocratic that may be, the only way we get a government is to ensure we all vote, well at least a substantial majority of those eligible to vote. If we don't vote, then the few that do could wind up putting not just an incompetent, but a really dangerous individual - think Trump, Bolsanaro, Putin or Chavez.

For my money voting should be compulsory, but the trade off should be that we are given a properly democratic system so that people could see that their vote really counts. Voting in a UK general election is perceived as being pretty much a waste of time in all but 10% or so of UK constituencies under FPTP.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 19:43
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Vain hope for future threads on similar topics, that the OP refrains from facile titles such as "Hope everyone near London Bridge are (sic) ok" - looks rather foolish in retrospect.

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Old 4th Dec 2019, 10:21
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The aftermath....

Not just with regard to this incident, but equally applicable to numerous others where the family are as much the innocent victims as those who have been attacked....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...l-jack-merritt
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 18:33
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It's been widely reported on MSM the father of the gentleman murdered has expressly criticised Boris for making political capital out of the event
Of course this was an event that deserved attention during an election campaign. It concerns very important issues around sentencing of a category of criminals clearly prone to recidivism. It would have been very odd if the Prime Minister hadn't raised the issue on the campaign trail.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 19:35
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So that's what a Polish chef called Luckasz looks like.
What's Fishmonger's Hall doing with a whale's tooth?
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 21:21
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While rehabilitation of criminals may be a worthwhile and charitable aim, it can only be applied to the 83,618 prisoners currently in jail. That's just 0.08% of our population. The government's chief moral priority has to be ensuring the safety and protection of the remaining 66 million law-abiding citizens, and you can't do that by releasing professional criminals and ideologically corrupted terrorists on to the streets.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 10:54
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Originally Posted by HEMS driver View Post
Not strictly true, is it?

We first introduced firearms legislation with the Pistols Act 1903, then created the Firearms Act in 1920. The Firearms Act has been amended four times, in 1937, 1968, 1988 and 1997. The last amendment, in 1997, removed the only remaining legal way for a small number of people to own a handgun. Prior to that, owning a hand gun was not something most people could legally do, anyway, as they were only able to be licensed for specified sporting purposes, with very tight controls on both guns and ammunition.

My father was a keen sporting gun enthusiast, and kept his Browning .22 in a locked steel box in the cupboard under the stairs in our house. As a small boy I remember police officers coming around to do routine checks that his gun and ammunition was locked up securely, so we certainly had pretty stringent firearms legislation then, in the early 1960s.

There's no ban on shotguns, even now, just licensing conditions, much the same as there have been for many decades.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 14:46
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I think HEMS Driver is just touting for business. Why not make guns available to the group most at-risk of knife crime, young black men.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 14:59
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Originally Posted by HEMS driver View Post
You wouldn't by any chance care to provide a link, or links for the sources of the above along with #131 and # 132.....or have you been overdosing on Faux News and decided to do a bit of creative photo-shopping ?

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Old 5th Dec 2019, 22:35
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Originally Posted by HEMS driver View Post
What bolleaux! The Met police, along with the rest of the U.K. have had numbers of front line officers and funding cut ‘into’ the bone! The vast majority of their funding comes from central government & all the cuts have occurred since 2010.
Whilst the causes of violent crime are extremely complex, there is absolutely no doubt it has been made far worse by huge government cuts to the police and youth service.

Since the Conservatives came to power nationally, London has lost 3,000 police officers, another 3,000 police community support officers and 5,000 civilian staff. The Met has had to make around a billion pounds in savings! The Tories talk a lot of 5hit on law & order!
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 23:07
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And it gets worse. Due to a famous person having been bailed, rebailed and bailed again while police were investigating allegations agains said famous person, the law was changed to restrict the amount of time a person can be bailed for (is it a 28 day limit?). So the police have had to resort to releasing suspect "under investigation". This satisfied the new time limits on bail but created another problem. Due to police cuts (and funding cuts restricting overtime worked), the police do not have the manpower to deal with a growing backlog of cases "under investigation", a backlog that has grown nationally to more than 100,000 cases. When a person was released on bail, the bail conditions would have conditions such as not visiting an address or keeping out of a specified area. Under the new regimen these conditions can not be applied and this has had some tragic consequences.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 00:09
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
And it gets worse. Due to a famous person having been bailed, rebailed and bailed again while police were investigating allegations agains said famous person, the law was changed to restrict the amount of time a person can be bailed for (is it a 28 day limit?). So the police have had to resort to releasing suspect "under investigation". This satisfied the new time limits on bail but created another problem. Due to police cuts (and funding cuts restricting overtime worked), the police do not have the manpower to deal with a growing backlog of cases "under investigation", a backlog that has grown nationally to more than 100,000 cases. When a person was released on bail, the bail conditions would have conditions such as not visiting an address or keeping out of a specified area. Under the new regimen these conditions can not be applied and this has had some tragic consequences.
A number of extremely tragic deaths as a result of individual’s released ‘under investigation’.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tel...ing-trend/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...286.html%3famp

Tories the party of law & order, my ar5e!
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 01:13
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Originally Posted by HEMS driver View Post
Given a length of string and a magnet, those amnesty bins could be a useful place to get tooled up...
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