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Old 9th Oct 2019, 04:40
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Fascinating selection of views expressed. One really must ask, however, of those who find ER's actions distasteful, apart from compressing your buttocks, just what efforts have YOU made to improve the world?
Feeding everybody and defeating fascism, for a start...

Without those, neither the protests nor the protesters would exist.

Shame about whats about to happen to solar....

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...lypse/11300460
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 10:26
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What we need to do is get the Extinction Rebellion perfume wearers to build a rocket carrying a huge Louvre window that can be positioned in orbit between the Earth and the sun so that it can be used to regulate the temperature on Earth.

I may also create my own perfume, erm, movement called Natural Adaption.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 12:22
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Frankly, avoiding climate change will come down to application of science (likeSAI possibly) not a bunch of self-righteous nose-rings banging drums.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 14:33
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Nice. I'd be interested in knowing the source of solar panel roofing used here.

The structural slab also makes a lot of sense. As conventional houses age, the poured floor and structural foundation often separate and let in water and bugs, etc.
We used a French system, made by a company called GSE Integration. Very like roof window flashing kits, that interlock and screw to the slate battens, and allow slates to be fitted around them. We then fitted standard solar panels, but black finished ones, with black frames, so they blended in with the dark grey slates. We have 25 panels on a south facing roof, as many as we could fit on there. Although the system cost around £8,000 (five years ago now) it saved us nearly £3,000 in slates and roofing cost, so the net cost was about £5,000. It's just about paid for itself now, having generated about 35 MWh since it was installed. In that time the house and car have only consumed about 14 MWh in total.

The reinforced slab is what's called a "passive slab" with 300mm of insulation underneath it. Saved having to excavate trenches for conventional foundations, which saved a bit of money, and the slab has underfloor heating/cooling pipes cast into it, so we can warm it up in winter and cool it down in summer with a small air source heat pump. Great in summer, as running the floor at around 18 deg C keeps the house cool, with no risk of condensation. It's also free cooling, as the solar panels are pretty much always generating more than the heat pump uses whenever we need a bit of cooling.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 19:49
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Good example. How many of the drum-bangers would have taken any practical steps to reduce environmental impact. And why does the hard-left feel entitled to lecture us on the environment? Socialist regimes have committed some of the worst environmental outrages in human history.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 03:39
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Good example. How many of the drum-bangers would have taken any practical steps to reduce environmental impact. And why does the hard-left feel entitled to lecture us on the environment? Socialist regimes have committed some of the worst environmental outrages in human history.

The hard left feel that they are entitled to lecture the rest of us on EVERYTHING. Only they know best!
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 05:12
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Just what does a government have to say to these forkwits to get them to say "OK, we've achieved our aims, let's go back to enjoying our dole down at the pub."

I suspect there is no ulterior motive, other than to damage things and have a destructive time.
I have read in one of the mainstream papers that ER is too middle class and too white? I suppose being on one of these protests will be a medal of courage that can be brought out at the next dinner party / barbecue / church fete as what did you do in the summer holidays....? Some people have too much time on their hands

There is of course an element who are there just to smash things up and watch them burn, they have been doing this since they were in CND protesting the cruise missiles at Greenham Common, or Swampy and his crew protesting the bypass of another piece of England that doesn't like lorries in the main street. They are the ones who are perpetually on the dole while at the same time screaming that capitalists (anyone who works for a living} are ruining the country.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 05:42
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An honest question (for some reason the answer has passed me by), what specific extinction is being referred to in the name "Extinction Rebellion".

If it is referring to individual animal or plant species then that is not only a possibility but is and has been occurring forever.
But that is primarily driven by Darwinian evolution albeit with a big helping hand from mankind. It is not new and does not need or rely on global warming to eventuate.

However, if they are referring to human extinction, then that would seem to be pure twaddle.
Even the worst-case scenario is only ever going to see mass starvation and possibly decimation of the species.
Once the population starts to decrease then their effect on global temperatures will decrease also.
I do not believe that there is any credible projection that sees a cataclysmic event arising from global warming sufficient to wipe out the species.

At some stage, a balance will be struck between human population and our capability to utilise the earth's resources.. Why we don't start working on that now I will never know.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 06:02
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
An honest question (for some reason the answer has passed me by), what specific extinction is being referred to in the name "Extinction Rebellion".

If it is referring to individual animal or plant species then that is not only a possibility but is and has been occurring forever.
But that is primarily driven by Darwinian evolution albeit with a big helping hand from mankind. It is not new and does not need or rely on global warming to eventuate.

However, if they are referring to human extinction, then that would seem to be pure twaddle.
Even the worst-case scenario is only ever going to see mass starvation and possibly decimation of the species.
Once the population starts to decrease then their effect on global temperatures will decrease also.
I do not believe that there is any credible projection that sees a cataclysmic event arising from global warming sufficient to wipe out the species.

At some stage, a balance will be struck between human population and our capability to utilise the earth's resources.. Why we don't start working on that now I will never know.
I suspect it’s to do with a belief by an increasing number of biologists that the planet has started its 6th mass extinction event

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holo...on?wprov=sfti1







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Old 10th Oct 2019, 06:08
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I suspect it’s to do with a belief by an increasing number of biologists that the planet has started its 6th mass extinction event

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holo...on?wprov=sfti1

OK. Thanks.

And from your link, I pluck the following:
Human overpopulation (and continued population growth) along with profligate consumption are considered to be the primary drivers of this rapid decline.
Global warming may be symptomatic but it's only one of the contributors.
And addressing global warming falls a long way short of addressing the root cause.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 06:15
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Well yes getting rid of humans would be the answer for the rest of the species left on this planet. I don’t think humans feel that’s the solution though.

Reminds me of the speech by Agent Smith at the end of the matrix.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 06:58
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It is not a Crazy Eddie situation even if some people would like everybody to think so.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 07:21
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I'm beginning to think that ER is a result of the current trend of our Governments taking the 'populist' approach to politics. As I have stated on other threads words and actions have impacts. If you declare a climate emergency to be popular and then do nothing, someone should and must call you out. ER are doing just that.

I hope other large scale and well organised groups start calling out the other 'populist'statements from No 10.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 07:48
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
An honest question (for some reason the answer has passed me by), what specific extinction is being referred to in the name "Extinction Rebellion".

If it is referring to individual animal or plant species then that is not only a possibility but is and has been occurring forever.
But that is primarily driven by Darwinian evolution albeit with a big helping hand from mankind. It is not new and does not need or rely on global warming to eventuate.

However, if they are referring to human extinction, then that would seem to be pure twaddle.
Even the worst-case scenario is only ever going to see mass starvation and possibly decimation of the species.
Once the population starts to decrease then their effect on global temperatures will decrease also.
I do not believe that there is any credible projection that sees a cataclysmic event arising from global warming sufficient to wipe out the species.

At some stage, a balance will be struck between human population and our capability to utilise the earth's resources.. Why we don't start working on that now I will never know.
If you get a chance, find the recording of Andrew Neil's show from last night. BBC IPLAYER. Apart from an interview with T Blair, it also featured an interview with one of the leaders of ER. They readily admit they use inflammatory language to get their point across. The latest being being 'billions of children will die'.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:06
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Well yes getting rid of humans would be the answer for the rest of the species left on this planet. I don’t think humans feel that’s the solution though.
They (we) may not. But it is inevitable, I believe.
It won't happen overnight and it won't mean extinction. But a balance will need to be struck and getting to that balance will have dire consequences for many species and also for many human population groups.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:21
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
They (we) may not. But it is inevitable, I believe.
It won't happen overnight and it won't mean extinction. But a balance will need to be struck and getting to that balance will have dire consequences for many species and also for many human population groups.
Are humans capable of finding a balance. In my personal opinion that would take a mass “forgetfulness” of all our current technology and a switching off the human mass knowledge and inquisitiveness. We’ve become the “apex” species because of how we have evolved.

to completely misquote Ricky Gervais. If we forgot everything in x number of years religion as we know it today (as in specific religions) wouldn’t exist. But in x number of years we would rediscover mathematics and science. And we’d be right back where we started from.

But humans don’t see the threat of what we are doing to our environment like we do say a nuclear bomb. We know that we have the capability of wiping out entire continents at the flick of a button. We’ve all seen an explosion and can in our heads multiply that.

We can see ice cubes melting. We can extrapolate that to entire ice sheets melting. But we struggle to see what trillions of tonnes of fresh water in the seas will do to us. So we push it on to tomorrow’s problem. We will always prioritise the tangible here and now over some existential crisis in the future.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:41
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Are humans capable of finding a balance.
No. But mother nature is.
I doubt that it will ever be "steady state". More like "foxes and rabbits".

But extinction? No, I don't think so. Not from these scenarios anyway.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:45
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Isn't the UK 5th or 6th in the list of renewable energy producers (or capturers, I guess)

ER could target the 190 odd that aren't doing so well, rather than the ones that are. But they don't have a costa on every corner, and unarmed police...
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:48
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Shot one and SOPS - Do you think that Johnson noticed that his FATHER supported these ER 'Hard Left--Wingers' ? Presumably Johnson (junior) is not what one would call 'a family man'. having managed, so far, to alienate his sister, brother and, now, his father! His offspring, however many that night be, appear, so far, to have escaped embroilment in his madcap capers. Still, for consolation, he has the heart-warming affection of the sniggering JR-M and the (sometimes) support of 'Govee' (Mr Pooter). A truly heart-warming tale!
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:52
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Most of the 190 odd haven't declared a climate emergency and therefore not an easy target. UK is an easy target by declaring a climate emergency and doing nothing after that except trying to remove us from the very bodies we need to work with on a major scale to continue to tackle the issues. You reap what you sow.

At least Trump was honest about his views on fake climate emergency and decided not to act. Our Government declared a climate emergency as it could be a vote winner and then decided not to act. Now they can see all it did was annoy a lot of people who are on the streets protesting and unlikely to get their votes.

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