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Old 30th Oct 2019, 19:17
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Devils in increasing order of spending money for political reasons.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 21:26
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Knowing his involvement in the 1998(??) Asian monetary crisis, I hold no great love of George Soros.
But singling him out, in this case, smacks of anti-semitism.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 08:14
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Knowing his involvement in the 1998(??) Asian monetary crisis, I hold no great love of George Soros.
But singling him out, in this case, smacks of anti-semitism.
Soros has/had his fingers in a great many 'issues' over the last decades either directly or indirectly and it might be this that singles him out rather than his religion ? Both Bonio (A self aggrandising windbag hypocrite of the first order) and Gates don't have the the previous form of Georgi.

As grown-ups, are you really proud of the sort of comments you have just published about a young girl who has single-handedly started a campaign, the force and logic of which has stirred reponses all over the world. Just how many supporters do either of you have clamouring to support your deeply thought-through view of the World?
I am, a healthy cynic and don't tend to get carried away in the fluff that surrounds many happenings, am not prone to virtue signalling and (I hope) am able to see the wood for the trees, though sometimes get lost in the undergrowth. Young Greta should have had her moment after organising the school protests, but seeing an opportunity, or funnel if you will, she was scooped up by those with an agenda and used as a figurehead/shield to further those aims, which might not be as benevolent as one might hope. Whilst some portion of those who have heard GT speak in the last month will have been moved to change their ways, the vast majority will tune-out and carry on as before. It is wholly unrealistic to think that the general populations of nations will suddenly stop driving/flying/consuming to appease the overly fervent of ER, but small regular steps can and would bring about positive change, environmentally speaking. Being mindful of our behaviour is the key, but we are human and our nature doesn't make this simple. It is too easy to give in to basic desire, rather than our higher selves. You only have to see how susceptible we are to constant advertising that leads to mindless consumption, which whilst great for business, is toxic to society in the long term and the cause of many of the environmental issues of the moment.
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 09:50
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I've been to Delhi numerous times and experienced their air quality issues for myself but this latest report is alarming.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-50285343

Where are the protests from extinction rebels? Even if they can't bring themselves to go to India why aren't they camped outside the London embassy?
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 10:08
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The hypocrisy of the Extinction Rebellion movement can easily be measured by their carbon faceprint.



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Old 5th Nov 2019, 11:15
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I was listening to a talk radio phone-in this morning and there are environmental groups attempting to ban the November 5th Fireworks as they damage the environment. I can see how only having public displays will keep accidents and vandalism down, I can understand the feeling towards animals being terrorised by the bangs and flashes, and in certain cases toxic fumes being released when people throw just anything on a bonfire without thinking, but the fires on one night per year damaging the environment in a meaningful way ???
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 11:18
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
I was listening to a talk radio phone-in this morning and there are environmental groups attempting to ban the November 5th Fireworks as they damage the environment. I can see how only having public displays will keep accidents and vandalism down, I can understand the feeling towards animals being terrorised by the bangs and flashes, and in certain cases toxic fumes being released when people throw just anything on a bonfire without thinking, but the fires on one night per year damaging the environment in a meaningful way ???
Perhaps the adherents of this policy should discuss this with the celebrants of Diwali.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 11:19
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Too politically sensitive methinks!
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 11:20
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Too politically sensitive methinks!
And there was me thinking that global warming was a global problem!
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 06:41
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A while back I heard the manager of the incinerator plant in SE London being interviewed on the radio. He admitted that his plant emitted DIOXINS. Shock, horror! As much in 100 years as the London millennium fireworks released in 20 minutes! It really is important to be able to balance risks and sensibly assess problems. Most people donít have a clue. Wood burning stoves in urban areas are pretty bad for the environment - perhaps worse than Euro 6compliant diesels? But itís the clean and fuel efficient diesels Bristol plans to ban.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 06:50
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My local London borough fireworks display replaced the huge bonfire this year (first time ever) with a fire show featuring performers. That might be a nod towards the environment, though I've no idea. Apparently lots of people were disappointed as unless you (and kids) were in the first few rows of the crowd, you couldn't see anything.

As an aside, do fireworks release dioxins ?
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 16:37
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 16:39
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No if you prefer this one from the anti incinerators. Fireworks myth debunked Ľ United Kingdom Without Incineration Network
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 17:36
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Andrewgr2; I would cheerfully accept that fireworks contain all sorts of stuff that I would not want to breath in any significant concentration. The paper says that the emissions increased by a factor of 10 but what it doesn't say if they increased from a safe level to a dangerous level. Is the Swiss "normal" level of background toxins considered high? etc etc

It mentions a total emission of HCB of 23g during the whole event. Can this really be a significant amount given the area and altitude of the display?
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 19:33
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I'm such a fan of Greta Thunberg that I drive a car with her initials on the boot lid.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 20:29
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Hmmm..never though of it that way. I'm not sure she would care for the "5.0" badges, though...
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Old 7th Nov 2019, 10:53
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Originally Posted by Andrewgr2 View Post
A while back I heard the manager of the incinerator plant in SE London being interviewed on the radio. He admitted that his plant emitted DIOXINS. Shock, horror! As much in 100 years as the London millennium fireworks released in 20 minutes! It really is important to be able to balance risks and sensibly assess problems. Most people donít have a clue. Wood burning stoves in urban areas are pretty bad for the environment - perhaps worse than Euro 6compliant diesels? But itís the clean and fuel efficient diesels Bristol plans to ban.
There are wood burning stoves and wood burning stoves. The Dunsley Yorkshire has pretty low particulate emissions! http://www.dunsleyheat.co.uk/yorkshi...ifuelstove.pdf

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Old 7th Nov 2019, 23:50
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I am still waiting to hear that many of the 'Climate extinction' young people are having themselves voluntarily sterilised so that they can not increase an over populated world. I guess that I will never hear it, while the population of sub Saharan Africa increases exponentially......
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 08:14
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This latest announcement in Construction News should put the ignorant and anti science element within ER into complete meltdown. An actual part of the solution.

.A consortium including BAM Nuttall and Laing O’Rourke has netted Government match funding to develop the next generation of compact nuclear power stations.

The new small-scale power stations are being designed to be manufactured in sections in regional factories, before being transported to existing nuclear sites for rapid assembly inside a weatherproof canopy.

This would slash costs by avoiding weather disruptions and secures gradual efficiency savings by using streamlined and standardised manufacturing processes for its components.

By 2050, a full programme of 16 power stations could create 40,000 jobs and add £52bn of value to the UK economy, the government added.

Each power station will be able to operate for 60 years and provide 440MW of electricity, which is enough to power a city the size of Leeds.

The radical energy proposals are being worked up to help meet the Government’s 2050 net zero-carbon target.


Hopefully they will be of the Moltex type.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 14:22
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In our ever-increasingly digital world, all that power needs to come from somewhere. Perhaps cold fusion has been perfected and is being held back until the moment is right, but until then all the wind/wave/solar/whatever energy generators won't be able to sustain our modern way of life. Good old nuclear power stations are the only reliable source capable of doing this (with inherent dangers well known). If the scientists and engineers can make smaller, more reliable generators than more power to them! ;-)

For me, energy recovery could do with some attention, if you imagine how much energy is lost each day that could be harnessed in part to power other systems that currently need a separately generated power supply.
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