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RAF Croughton - Diplomatic Immunity

Old 8th Oct 2019, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Bee Rexit View Post
Hopefully Donald will use his "Great and unmatched wisdom" in this case.
Either shouts of USA! USA! USA! USA!

Or social media will stack up against her.
Depends if the Donald is pro or anti NSA CIA this week.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 11:36
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Or the numerous rape / murder cases near the US base on Okinawa.
That really pleases the locals.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 12:04
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There are some very strange moves being made regarding this issue.The accident was tragic but the likelihood of the woman getting anything more than a slap on the wrist by any UK judge was small. Staying in the UK and going to court would have barely made a ripple in the media.I can only imagine that someone in command of the USA spooks insisted she be sent home to reduce the impact of the husbandís job being made public.
That plan has now been completely trashed by the names of both wife and husband being made public. I have not seen who made the names public but I am sure the US agency is not happy.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 12:30
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Not just their names but the husband's age and their home state.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 18:41
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And in the Daily Fail, how much their house is worth (seriously).
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 06:40
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
First off the role of RAF Croughton is quite irrelevant to the accident.
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Given the facts which are now coming out, I would suggest that the role of 'RAF' Croughton has everything to do with what happened. Does the USA allow other countries to have similar establishment's on its soil?
​​​​​There is alot less chat about Europe 'paying it's way' in NATO. There is a price to be paid for allowing the USA to have these sites across the country. Not just the death of one unfortunate young man.
Donald is not the one doing Europe the favour.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 09:19
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An interesting article by Craig Murray, ex British Ambassador:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...en-a-diplomat/
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 13:50
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I believe Boris is to telephone Donald or maybe has done so !!
Two dishonest purveyors of half truths and untruths having a telephone conversation about something as serious as a an innocents death. What could possibly go wrong with that plan ?
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 14:10
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Sky News last night said the Foreign Office had stated her husband was not registered as a diplomat therefore diplomatic immunity didn't apply.
Haven't seen it mentioned today though.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 15:19
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Here you go

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...mat/ar-AAIrWcv
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 18:41
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
Sky News last night said the Foreign Office had stated her husband was not registered as a diplomat therefore diplomatic immunity didn't apply.
Haven't seen it mentioned today though.
Beeb at 6 on R4 still identifying her as 'wife of US diplomat'
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 06:38
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And on the BBC web site today, they explain that diplomatic immunity is not restricted to those on the diplomatic list.
Drivers, cooks and other support staff whose names do not appear, but have been accredited to Britain ("the receiving state") have the same diplomatic status and immunity as those who are listed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-49995867
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Beeb at 6 on R4 still identifying her as 'wife of US diplomat'
Trump is saying it too, so who do you believe?
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:38
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She is not a diplomat and neither is her husband. There are 400 diplomats with credentials presented to the Court of St James. Her husband is secret service and has some form of non-diplomatic immunity, not extended to spouses. She is not (AFAIK) a cook, bottle washer or other support staff.
The Americans run the world and will do whatever they like.
Story ends to much outrage but nothing happening. Wait for some shock horror story to take this off the front pages as the government propaganda machine covers up.
Parents of dead boy may be able to sue privately in the USA - maybe with support of crowd funding.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 08:54
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I am not a diplomat, but I have held diplomatic status in various countries while acting as a 'technical expert'. Back then I carried a card which said 'The holder ...bla bla..is entitled to the privileges and immunities defined in the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic/Consular Relations or host country agreements'. My spouse was entitled to the same status.

I never had to test the extent of protection that this gave me, but it is definitely a step lower than carrying a full diplomatic passport, I am sure I was never on a list of diplomats. I guess that there are 1,000s of people around the world with this kind of partial immunity. I would expect protection to be waived if I committed a crime, but I would also expect it to ensure due process - and possible ability to run away - in dodgy situations in dodgy jurisdictions. It sounds like this persons status was in that sort of grey area.


BTW. Did you see Trump's inane comments on this:

The woman was driving on the wrong side of the road, and that can happen. You know, those are the opposite roads, that happens. I won’t say it ever happened to me, but it did.
When you get used to driving on our system and then you’re all of a sudden on the other system where you’re driving – it happens. You have to be careful, very careful.’
I have never been accused of being diplomatic, but surely anyone with any empathy would have started by expressing sypathy, possibly offering assistance, and promising to look carefully at the circumstances. That would be all that it takes to help defuse the sitauation.

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Old 10th Oct 2019, 09:02
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It seems to be a done deal; the lady will get away with it. Trump has decided that driving on the wrong side of the road in a foreign country comes under the heading "s%^t happens". He went on to say he hasn't done it himself but he has!
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 09:22
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
It seems to be a done deal; the lady will get away with it. Trump has decided that driving on the wrong side of the road in a foreign country comes under the heading "s%^t happens". He went on to say he hasn't done it himself but he has!
Raab probably isn't high enough in Trumps esteem to warrant direct contact, he's more in the useful idiot league, but Boris is hence the assessment of the rightfully aggrieved and angry parents.......

https://www.channel4.com/news/it-fel...eign-secretary

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Old 10th Oct 2019, 09:30
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
I would expect protection to be waived if I committed a crime, but I would also expect it to ensure due process - and possible ability to run away - in dodgy situations in dodgy jurisdictions. It sounds like this persons status was in that sort of grey area.
I'm bemused. In what way do you mean dodgy situation in a dodgy jurisdiction? I haven't seen that the "situation" is in doubt - there was a motor vehicle accident apparently caused by someone driving on the wrong side of the road. Why do you say that the UK is a "dodgy" jurisdiction?

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Old 10th Oct 2019, 09:47
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Originally Posted by artee View Post
I'm bemused. In what way do you mean dodgy situation in a dodgy jurisdiction? I haven't seen that the "situation" is in doubt - there was a motor vehicle accident apparently caused by someone driving on the wrong side of the road. Why do you say that the UK is a "dodgy" jurisdiction?

No no no. Absolutely not what I intended to convey - I told you I was no diplomat!


I was trying to explain the level of protection that I got from that 'semi-diplomatic' status. I did operate in some very dodgy jurisdictions in Africa with that card as a some level of reassurance that I would get due process. But if there was a clear-cut crime committed, I would not expect to be rescued.

Of course the legal system in UK is far better than that in the USA, so no way that argument can apply.

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