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Old 10th Sep 2019, 15:52
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Boycott Award

Listening to the various seething and fuming callers to a radio phone-in this afternoon concerning amongst other topics, outgoing Prime Minister Theresa May's awards to various lackys etc, to one Geoffrey Boycott for his services to cricket in the UK over many decades both as a player, coach and commentator. However, rather than the conversations being about this, things became very focused on his alleged domestic abuse of his then partner 21 years ago whilst they were in France. I can't remember the details, but an argument became physical and the lady in question had very visible bruising on her face. I don't wish to condone violence against either gender, nor do I particularly like Boycott, although I do respect his forthright views about sport over the years, but for the award of a knighthood for continued services to sport over decades to be overshadowed by quite aggressive campaigners for domestic violence awareness to demand that Boycott be stripped of his knighthood because of his past actions seems more than a little off the mark. I wasn't spending much time in the UK when this altercation took place, so being pre-internet times domestic news wasn't so prevalent when travelling and the details are lost in the mists of time (and being too lazy to trawl them up!).

When should someone be denied/have withdrawn their knighthood ? What is the limit, both in time and severity of misdemeanour ? As I said, I'm no cricket junkie, nor do I care for the man particularly, but find this media storm to be totally pointless and the man seems to agree, apparently 'not giving a toss' to an interviewer.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 16:13
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Apparently, some would also like his bails removed.
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Bloody typical for these over-sensitive seekers of a bit of publicity to mouth off about something that happened before some of those commenting were conscious. I doubt that some of those having a pop at Boycott understand what actually happened 20 odd years ago, and to suggest that a single altercation, that he's paid the price for, should somehow take precedence over decades of damned fine cricket and commentating, is just unbelievable.

I'd like to see someone go through the history of every single person who raises objections like this and call them out on things they've done in the past. No one is ever purer than the driven snow.
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Bloody typical for these over-sensitive seekers of a bit of publicity to mouth off about something that happened before some of those commenting were conscious. I doubt that some of those having a pop at Boycott understand what actually happened 20 odd years ago, and to suggest that a single altercation, that he's paid the price for, should somehow take precedence over decades of damned fine cricket and commentating, is just unbelievable.

I'd like to see someone go through the history of every single person who raises objections like this and call them out on things they've done in the past. No one is ever purer than the driven snow.
Depends entirely on how you define his ability actually....already mentioned in the JB Cricket thread btw.

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 16:42
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He denies domestic abuse and says the French legal system has an assumption of guilt unless he could prove his innocence - difficult with a plaintiff who had tried to blackmail him before the action to the tune of a seven-figure sum. Smells a bit fishy to me. Should these circumstances make someone a non-person barred from all lionisation?
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The problem is, that when he goes to the palace for his knighthood, they'll never get him out.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 16:55
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
...his alleged domestic abuse of his then partner 21 years ago whilst they were in France....
It wasn't just alleged: he was found guilty, as he didn't attend the first hearing to defend his innocence, & when he appealed, the conviction was upheld. He was fined & given a suspended prison sentence. The prosecution provided evidence from witnesses, including a medical Doctor who explained the injuries the lady suffered could not have been caused the way he said they were, whilst her account matched. I think the decision to knight him is strange, & at odds with Mrs Mays stated attitude to domestic violence. However nothing surprises me at the moment...
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 18:11
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Wot I want to know is

(a) What come-back is there on journos who ask questions about spent convictions?

(b) Is "knight" one of the jobs for which spent convictions have to be declared?

(These are just technical questions I'm curious about, I'm not giving an opinion on the substance.)
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 18:25
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11095180

Geoffrey Boycott's my hero, says Labour's Ed Miliband
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 19:44
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On the subject of it possibly being difficult to remove Sir Geoffrey, I bet Sir Ian is mightily happy that Sir Geoff is joining him in the knighthood club...because they always were the best of mates

Rewind to 1978: Botham to Boycott: 'I've run you out, you ****' | Cricket | ESPNcricinfo.com

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Boycott said the case was all about blackmail. The lady was willing to drop the case for the right amount of money.
Also, they forgot to tell him when/where the case was being held.
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Bloody typical for these over-sensitive seekers of a bit of publicity to mouth off about something that happened before some of those commenting were conscious. I doubt that some of those having a pop at Boycott understand what actually happened 20 odd years ago, and to suggest that a single altercation, that he's paid the price for, should somehow take precedence over decades of damned fine cricket and commentating, is just unbelievable.
20 years, eh? When exactly is the cut off date for sexual or violent offences? Let's look at some rather old cases in comparison. Saville, Cyril Smith and a host of others will do for starters.
And forget about not being told where the case was being held. They certainly told him where to turn up for his appeal. There was even footage of that on TV tonight. And it transpired that the medical and forensic evidence was rather damining.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 23:25
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I'll never understand the French legal system. Seems like in this domestic abuse business,you are guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent. On the other hand if you die of a heart attack while having some extra marital nookie on a business trip it's your employer's fault and they have to pay your family compensation (discussed elsewhere on PPPruNe)

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Right, I don’t know a damned thing about cricket, and have zero intention to learn. So let me make that clear, and had never heard of this chap prior to this thread, because you know, cricket isn’t well known outside of about 5 countries.

Also, I’m very uncomfortable with this whole “me too” movement, as I feel while there's genuine cases of horrendous behaviour being exposed (Weinstein, Epstein), there’s scores being settled too.

However, any man who raises his fists to a woman (assuming she is not holding a gun / knife or any other weapon) is a lowlife coward who deserves every misfortune that befalls them.

This man was found guilty and lost his appeal. Same as any other criminal, deal with the consequences.
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 06:25
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20 years, eh? When exactly is the cut off date for sexual or violent offences? Let's look at some rather old cases in comparison. Saville, Cyril Smith and a host of others will do for starters.
And forget about not being told where the case was being held. They certainly told him where to turn up for his appeal. There was even footage of that on TV tonight. And it transpired that the medical and forensic evidence was rather damining.
This seems an extreme comparison to me. No evidence was presented with regard to their being any sexual misconduct, he apparently slapped her around the face during an argument. Definitely bang out of order, but is it really a crime on a par with those of Savile etc?

Should anyone who has ever lashed out at another person, at anytime in their life, have that held against them for as long as they remain alive?
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[color=left=#000000]Geoffrey Boycott's my hero, says Labour's Ed Miliband[/color]
Ed Miliband clearly does not understand the meaning of the word hero.

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This seems an extreme comparison to me. No evidence was presented with regard to their being any sexual misconduct, he apparently slapped her around the face during an argument. Definitely bang out of order, but is it really a crime on a par with those of Savile etc?

Should anyone who has ever lashed out at another person, at anytime in their life, have that held against them for as long as they remain alive?
Indeed, the protestations of women's groups, "survivors", and others deserved nothing less that the "I couldn't give a toss" response from Geoff Boycott. Shame is that far too few people are blunt enough to say it as they see it.

As a youth I recall Boycott being among the more boring of all cricketers to watch, along with the likes of Edrich, Luckhurst and their ilk, but to deny him a knighthood given in recognition of his cricketing career because of a crime he was convicted of 20+ years ago is frankly bang out of order.
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Should anyone who has ever lashed out at another person, at anytime in their life, have that held against them for as long as they remain alive?
We have decided that the answer to that is "no", in the UK at least, hence the concept of "spent conviction" in the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.
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...and out come the misogynists and the sexists...
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...and out come the misogynists and the sexists...
It was an interesting discussion up to that point.

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