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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 01:10
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Greta Thunberg - Atlantic crossing

Greta Thunberg - famous for being able to see carbon dioxide - recently arrived in New York after sailing across the Atlantic in a 'carbon zero' boat.
Does anyone have any information on how she returned home?
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Originally Posted by kangaroota View Post
Greta Thunberg - famous for being able to see carbon dioxide - recently arrived in New York after sailing across the Atlantic in a 'carbon zero' boat.
Does anyone have any information on how she returned home?
She is probably still here, but a great acheivment, unlike your caustic comment.
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a great acheivment
How? For Columbus maybe, but not today. The carbon footprint of her trip would have been far less if she had travelled by airline, a crew has to be flown from Europe to the US to return the boat. Virtue signalling at its best.
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I don't see the great "achievement" here.

She was a passenger on a high tech sailboat that made an Atlantic crossing.
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I read somewhere that a crew of two had to be flown from Europe to bring the boat back.......
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Greta Thunberg

I will admit that, at first, I was a little ambivalent towards her achievements. I found myself wondering why a 16 year old was lecturing the UK on our carbon footprint when there are far greater offenders around the world.

Then I did what I often do and stopped to think about my viewpoint a little.

We always hear about ‘the youth of today’ and how bad they are. Then you see a 16 year old trying to make a global difference. And she seems to be achieving things.

Whether or or not she is the brains behind her mission or not I think we should all take our hat off to her.

We have many problems facing the world and if what it takes is a young Scandinavian girl to make us stop and think then more power to her.

My main concern in all of this campaigning though is that the worst offenders are largely getting away with it whilst nations such as the UK that are already taking measures are seemingly being criticised a little harshly.

I know we can all do more to reduce waste and carbon footprint but until the likes of China, India and the Middle East wake up and start to deal with the problem we are a metaphorical drop in the ocean.

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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
I don't see the great "achievement" here.

She was a passenger on a high tech sailboat that made an Atlantic crossing.
Did you ever cross the Atlantic in a high tech sailboat?

Believe me it can be quite uncomfortable. Maybe not a great achievement but definitely not trivial either. And I am fairly irritated by the Gretamania.
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
I know we can all do more to reduce waste and carbon footprint but until the likes of China, India and the Middle East wake up and start to deal with the problem we are a metaphorical drop in the ocean.

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You missed out one major country from your list of notable offenders. The USA.
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How can a boat made almost entirely from oil derived products be "carbon zero" ? Had the boat got into trouble, would she insist that we launch a rowing boat to come to the rescue ?

Never mind, all the virtue boxes were ticked while the crew were flown home and a new crew were flown out to collect the plastic boat. Meanwhile on a tiny island, we have switched to paper straws while the Amazon burns......
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She made a crossing in a "plastic" boat with probably more embodied carbon per construction lifetime passenger mile than any other form of transport on the planet. It was shedding plastic microfibres into the ocean all the time it was under sail, from the sails and ropes used. The crew members that have to bring the boat back over the Atlantic are flying over to the USA specially to do so, so her saving of one air journey has directly caused other air journeys.

It was a bit of fake environmental grandstanding, that she was probably too immature to understand the consequences of. The people who sponsor the boat got some cheap publicity, and the people that are driving this your lady achieved their aim, publicity.

Sure it's uncomfortable to sail on a boat like this, but it's relatively safe and she had an expert crew to drive the boat.
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Who pays for the show? Who tells her what to say? The puppet!
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You are of course quite correct that the USA also has a long way to go with regards to emissions and wastage.

When it comes to the issue of ocean waste and pure bad habits though the places I highlighted are terrible offenders.

Education and awareness are vital. Greta is at least raising awareness. Whether she is the brains or not who knows.

My other question here though is why do we naturally get our backs up when a 16 year old girl starts to lecture us?

I already admitted that my initial reaction was similar to many on here. “What does she know”? “Who is she to lecture me”? etc.

I have to force myself sometimes to see through the media spin bollocks and see the real message. Like it or lump it we are not doing a great job of looking after our planet.

We have had celebrities, politicians, scientists etc trying to tell us and we collectively shrug our shoulders. What harm does it do to let a young girl try to get the message across?

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Isn‘t she a media creature and tool of some stockholm PR guy? (Ingmar Rentzhog) Nobody knows what business he has in mind using her.
To me it looks very much like a show with some manipulative flavour. A facade for somebody’s business interests.

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I don't have an issue with what she is doing, as Bob Viking says, it's good to make people think.

What I do have an issue with is the way it is being done, and I don't like being lectured by anyone. I also don't like stunts like the boat trip and feel to a certain extent she
is being used by others to suit their own needs.

Of course you cannot knock the messge, it's very worthy, a bit like 'Stop all wars', - and we know how that is going.
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To me, not much different to the 'Make Poverty History' movement with all those concerts almost 15 years ago.

Great publicity for certain people ( entertainers) but bugger all else resulted.
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There is no possibility that she actually knows very much about what she is saying. Which means that somebody else feeds it to her. I don't disagree with the idea of saving the world but I also don't know what we should be fighting against.

Some things are not difficult, like plastic in the oceans, few chances that it could be beneficial. Industrial waste, nothing good will follow. Etc.

But as long as the climate models can not reproduce the past I am going to be sceptical about the predictions. As a drunk politician said: predicting something is difficult, especially of the future ...
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Web cam conference call anyone? That's what those of us who are trying to make changes are doing.

The message is good, the delivery is a stunt for those with agendas.

I would prefer the UN invited, by webcam, those professionals working at the coal face of the issues. If young teenagers want to make a difference then get your self educated in an appropriate science and go to school, not bunk off and expect others to solve the problem, that's just lazy.
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
You are of course quite correct that the USA also has a long way to go with regards to emissions and wastage.

When it comes to the issue of ocean waste and pure bad habits though the places I highlighted are terrible offenders.

Education and awareness are vital. Greta is at least raising awareness. Whether she is the brains or not who knows.

My other question here though is why do we naturally get our backs up when a 16 year old girl starts to lecture us?

I already admitted that my initial reaction was similar to many on here. “What does she know”? “Who is she to lecture me”? etc.

I have to force myself sometimes to see through the media spin bollocks and see the real message. Like it or lump it we are not doing a great job of looking after our planet.

We have had celebrities, politicians, scientists etc trying to tell us and we collectively shrug our shoulders. What harm does it do to let a young girl try to get the message across?

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The USA is somewhat of a conundrum. The President and his team are largely climate deniers and appear to be doing anything they can to frustrate global efforts to limit the damage humans are doing to it, and the world.

However, as I understand it, at state level governments have very different views and are acting, independent of the Federal government in Washington.

While China and India, amongst others, are putting ever larger amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, this is largely as a result of nations such as the UK that have cut their greenhouse gas emissions simply be "exporting" their manufacturing (the polluting sector of the economy) to these developing nations.

I have not been consciously been swayed by Ms Thunberg and her exploits, but like you I am impressed that she has done something. Young people are so often vilified, with good reason, for their head in the sand, not my problem kind of attitude, but Thunberg has really tried to highlight that it is her generation, not our's, that will suffer from our profligacy and consumption. What I have noticed is that i have become, over the past years or so, that I have become much more alert to the pointless waste, stuff that I don't want or need, that I get and have on a daily basis. To name but a few, those confounded, unnecessary thermal paper printed receipts for everything you buy, and the plastic wrapping around multi-buy offers that pollute the supermarket shelves. Additionally I look at the mileage I drive, daily, in pursuit of income. Is it necessary? For me and my well being, yes; but is it really necessary in the wider perspective, probably not. These are all small things, but as a well known retailer says "every little helps".

I don't pretend to know what the overall answer is to climate change. To do what is necessary is politically, and economically untenable. To really make change we have to get away from the "growth" mantra of economists and politicians, and I really don't believe the world population isn't ready for that.

Being selfish, I am quite happy I won't (or at least probably won't) be around for the climate disaster that is surely not more than 100 years away if we carry on as we are as the human race.
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Remember, plastic saves paper which reduced wood pulp which saved trees which absorb Carbon.

No change is without consequences.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 08:59
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She is probably still here, but a great acheivment, unlike your caustic comment.
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Not sure what it is she's achieved.
If she really is the one to lead us out of the climate change dilemma, shouldn't her credentials at least come under some sort of scrutiny? At the very least, why can't some independent body conduct tests to see if she really can see carbon dioxide.
I suspect that for her next trick her parents will have her balancing a ball on her nose while she claps her flippers. And the sheep will applaud and say 'this girl is the savior'
At least the Life of Brian didn't claim to be anything more than a p#^stake.
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