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Old 5th Sep 2019, 12:57
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Originally Posted by kangaroota View Post
Here's my problem with this person.
Climate change was being debated before she was born. What new ideas and solutions has she brought to the debate?
She has been praised for "raising awareness". Give me strength. Are there really people out there that were unaware of climate change before she jumped on the bandwagon.
If raising awareness is what is required, it is every man, women and dog's duty to travel as extensively as possible, preferably in a private jet, preaching the climate change gospel. And leave the rest who can't afford to travel to make the necessary sacrifices.
To me it's a hypocritical, virtue signaling charade.
It's not her, it's the people using her.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 12:58
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A date for your diary if you are looking for a day off work or school.

From the UK GBC website:
The 20 September is the date of the Global Climate Strike, where schoolchildren striking for climate action have called for all adults to join them.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 13:18
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All this moral panic about Plastic. There is nothing inherently wrong with using plastic. It's a wonderful, useful product. We can all go on using it conscience free.

The issue is its disposal. That needs to be addressed. For years now I've dutifully separated my plastic and fondly imagined it being delivered to some recycling plant nearby and being turned into something useful. It seems not, shipped to China like as not.

Recycling isn't rocket science. There are plenty of ways it can happen even down to small local plants. The technology exists. It just needs to the will to put it into action.

As for Greta, I personally find the whole thing disturbing, creepy almost. In any case she's only saying what everyone knows.

I wonder though if she's coming back on the boat. I'd say she's heartily sick of it by now. There's a reason we all fly the Atlantic instead of sailing.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 14:06
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Originally Posted by RedhillPhil View Post
It's not her, it's the people using her.
Quite agree! She'll be just like all the other teens deep down but she must be having a whale of a time (or maybe she would rather just be a teen and is starting to see how her life is being taken over?). Who can blame her from being egged on by people?

I have the misfortune of having several late teens/early 20's (and their pals) impacting on my peace right now. They jump on any cause (such as Global Warming) with gusto. However, I can always tell when they are home as I'm constantly turning lights off, closing fridge doors properly and even trying to stop them popping out to the garage on a freezing, windy day leaving the kitchen door open and me heating the surrounding countryside!

Now, I know that, in itself, that's not much - but multiply that by every household with teens/early 20's and .... well, one day if I'm bored, I may do some maths!! I bet it will come to some sum particularly as, if we "oldies" have retired to bed, the lights can be on all night - which is frequently the case! Seems all our light switches are unidirectional ("off" to "on") unless the operator is aged over 50 when, miraculously, they suddenly become bi-directional again!

Now, I'm sure H 'n' H was a paragon of virtue and could not be accused of being the same when he was a teen! Answers to that are NOT required..... particularly from my parents!!!! H 'n' H
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 15:00
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
I was stunned to find some nuts I ordered ( like a hundred plus ) came individually wrapped in their own plastic bag.
Imagine how the passengers felt when they came to eat them

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Old 5th Sep 2019, 15:04
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
A date for your diary if you are looking for a day off work or school.

From the UK GBC website:
The 20 September is the date of the Global Climate Strike, where schoolchildren striking for climate action have called for all adults to join them.
Oh yes, they should all be back from jetting off around the world on their summer holidays by then
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 15:15
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There are a lot if rumours surrounding this person. How she went anorectic when her Mom was never home due to singing career. How she finally argued for her parents to never fly again and thus not leave all the time. How her Dad is in all kinds of eco biz, carbon certificates (aka modern indulgence sale) or something like that and has issued stocks. I think she is as sincere as only youth can be but she is so not a stand alone phenomenon. Maybe things just spiraled when she was recognised by media, parents saw a cut to replace the income loss resulting from two special needs children (both children have multiple diagnoses), and the thing went bigger than they ever imagined. The larger context (climate politics, tax opportunities etc) are a framework independent of this. The resulting combination I dont like at all, personality cult, ideology, claiming The One Truth and idolizing science as Ultimate legitimizer, all the apparatus behind, hell thereís even climate magazines now. This is not a healthy complex. But this girl is not the core problem. Itís all the ideology boxes being ticked.

(AND I want to know the carbon footprint of the GPS satellites they navigated by!)
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 18:14
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By what mode of transport is Greta returning to Europe?
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 18:15
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Airline flight back. AFAIK she will travel to south america first.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 09:37
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So it was all a publicity stunt then - ohhh, what a shocker
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 10:46
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
So it was all a publicity stunt then - ohhh, what a shocker
Options being?
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 11:20
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Funding of international competitions to put forward ideas, technical innovations, improvements to existing technologies, pilot projects, proper governance and the implementation of frameworks in which regulated step change can be achieved towards clearly defined and agreed targets.

Just for a start.

As I said before, PR stunts and lobby groups are just a diversion and as our global leaders appear to have the attention span of a goldfish we need to do everything to stop them being diverted from such an important issue. They already pay professionals to give them advice, for goodness sake listen to them.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 11:22
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Well, let's see...


Ummm...

Oh yes... she could have gone back home the same way she got there? At least that would have halved the carbon cost per passenger journey of the vessel in question. And had she used the same mode of travel to South America then she could offset the carbon cost per passenger journey even more.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 13:52
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
Well, let's see...


Ummm...

Oh yes... she could have gone back home the same way she got there? At least that would have halved the carbon cost per passenger journey of the vessel in question. And had she used the same mode of travel to South America then she could offset the carbon cost per passenger journey even more.
She hitched a ride over, no chance for a return. From what I've read she'll be travelling South by train and bus. Rather her than me.
At least she tries.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 01:19
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She hitched a ride over, no chance for a return
She didn't hitch a ride, the crossing was made for the express purpose of giving Greta media exposure, as the advertising on the boat reveals. She could have returned on the boat to Europe if she so wished. Her trip entails six sailors flying the Atlantic to support the boats trip, lot of carbon invested there.
Greta Thunberg’s sailing ship for the climate, Malizia II, must return to Europe after it has reached New York. For this, four new professional sailors fly to the US. Their mission is to release the crew of two skippers on board and sail the boat back. Altogether, six sailors must take at least one trip each by plane.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/08/si...-climate-trip/



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Old 7th Sep 2019, 05:40
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If the ship must returned to Europe, and Greta is continuing to South America, well?
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 07:15
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The PR/lobbyist agenda is winning, we are all talking about Greta's trip and the boat. Nothing about an actual scientific approach to solving issues, we are being diverted yet again.

When the world is more obsessed with the messenger than the message, something is very wrong.

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Old 7th Sep 2019, 11:17
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
The PR/lobbyist agenda is winning, we are all talking about Greta's trip and the boat. Nothing about an actual scientific approach to solving issues, we are being diverted yet again.

When the world is more obsessed with the messenger than the message, something is very wrong.
What about scientist making themselves more visible? What's with the hatred, whataboutism and animosity against this girl who tries to make a difference?
I bet a grumpy old man hell-bent on also making a difference could get some air time too.
Tighten up your belt and braces and go out and do something useful, me I'll sit here applauding Greta.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 12:09
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
What about scientist making themselves more visible? What's with the hatred, whataboutism and animosity against this girl who tries to make a difference?
I bet a grumpy old man hell-bent on also making a difference could get some air time too.
Tighten up your belt and braces and go out and do something useful, me I'll sit here applauding Greta.
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What difference has she made? What radical initiatives has she introduced? What do you now know about climate change thanks to her campaign that you didn't know before?
To me it is an exercise in futility and it bemuses me how a self appointed talking head attracts the attention she does. Do her fans ever stop to question her claim to be able to 'see' CO2?
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Tighten up your belt and braces and go out and do something useful, me I'll sit here applauding Greta.
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As I have already posted above re my credentials, I'll try and not take that personally.

No views on Greta other than she is becoming more important than the message. I totally agree with the message which must not be lost in the fog of war on climate change.
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