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Old 28th Aug 2019, 00:38
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 06:45
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I think one of the common misconceptions is the idea, that everybody at some point is in a state where they are healthy, see clearly, and with a well developed free will and robust mindset, and a solid set of affirming experiences under their belt, and at this point make a proactive choice about how they want to live. When in reality these people do not see much choice, dont see any reward ever, and thus just donít choose. They let life happen to them instead - it is about NOT choosing.

For middle class kids and upwards, having a good feel for oneself, ambition and a fundamental trust that there is a place for you in the professional world, is more or less DNA. Theyíve usually seen how their parents managed their lives, too. They are confident that what they will do, will carry reward in it. So they think everybody gets to start from that point in life. Like well, some have more stuff and money and some have less, but all in all everybody is about conquering their place in this world with self determination, right?

Truth is, thereís people who never get to that starting line in the first place. They are not bad runners in the race, they are NOT in the race, in fact maybe not even in the stadium. The way that middle class sons get raised and encouraged, and feel about themselves in the world, is NOT as universal as they think.

I donít blame Ąsocietyď, I think itís more a matter of tragic. But I can see tragic without getting all aggressive against those who suffer it. Itís just sad really.

The only thing that makes me angry is, as people here wrote, when tragic people have to have kids, let alone early. If you didnít have much of a chance to develop your personality that is one thing, to pass it on to the next generation is another. I think if I had not managed to move on from how I was raised, I would never consider having children. Sounds harsh, but not all lifestyles are legitimate to expose children to.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 07:11
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Given your decidedly skewed and malignant perspectives of food banks, and those who use them, here's a link to those in Lincoln. Why not pay them a visit and then, if your eyes and mind are opened as to the reality, come back and give us your erudite analysis of the demographic, their circumstances and, of course, their appearance .

Please do not confuse these locations with the annual food fair.....

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lincoln+food+bank&npsic=0&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=5322 0760,-549102,1473&tbm=lcl&ved=2ahUKEwjohY6B8qTkAhUgRBUIHSJLBbsQtgN 6BAgKEAQ&tbs=lrf:!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:2&rldoc=1 #rlfi=hd:;si:;mv:!1m2!1d53.232377500000005!2d-0.5121358!2m2!1d53.2098509!2d-0.9203993;tbs:lrf:!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:2&spf=15 66972142755
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Krautwald View Post
I think one of the common misconceptions is the idea, that everybody at some point is in a state where they are healthy, see clearly, and with a well developed free will and robust mindset, and a solid set of affirming experiences under their belt, and at this point make a proactive choice about how they want to live. When in reality these people do not see much choice, dont see any reward ever, and thus just don’t choose. They let life happen to them instead - it is about NOT choosing.

For middle class kids and upwards, having a good feel for oneself, ambition and a fundamental trust that there is a place for you in the professional world, is more or less DNA. They’ve usually seen how their parents managed their lives, too. They are confident that what they will do, will carry reward in it. So they think everybody gets to start from that point in life. Like well, some have more stuff and money and some have less, but all in all everybody is about conquering their place in this world with self determination, right?

Truth is, there’s people who never get to that starting line in the first place. They are not bad runners in the race, they are NOT in the race, in fact maybe not even in the stadium. The way that middle class sons get raised and encouraged, and feel about themselves in the world, is NOT as universal as they think.

I don’t blame „society“, I think it’s more a matter of tragic. But I can see tragic without getting all aggressive against those who suffer it. It’s just sad really.

The only thing that makes me angry is, as people here wrote, when tragic people have to have kids, let alone early. If you didn’t have much of a chance to develop your personality that is one thing, to pass it on to the next generation is another. I think if I had not managed to move on from how I was raised, I would never consider having children. Sounds harsh, but not all lifestyles are legitimate to expose children to.
A thoughtful post. With regard to the part I've highlighted in bold I would expand on that to say I think the point you're making does not necessarily apply solely to middle class children. Certainly immediate family and the atmosphere generated within it will play a large part in how any young child will see his life unfolding in the future. But I think the 'light bulb' moment for any young child is the (hopeful) realisation that education is way to make progress and you do not need to come from a middle class background to understand that. I was born in the bedroom of my parents classic two up/two down council house and that was very much not middle class. I grew up happily enough with loving and encouraging parents but realised at a reasonable age that education was key to making real progress in life. And so it turned out to be. I firmly believe education is the key to moving up life's ladder and whilst that naturally requires a degree of ability even more important I feel having parents who foster and encourage a childs ambition are crucial. I didn't look at my parents and think I don't want to be like that, I just felt there was an altogether different way which would lead to an enriched life and education was the key.

Moving on and perhaps touching only tangentially to food banks - two stories.

I was in our Co-op and a Mum comes in with 2 excited children and gets her groceries including a punnet of strawberries and eventually she makes her way to the till. Goods are emptied from the basket into the bags. At the end of the process the cashier and Mum realise she simply doesn't have enough money to buy everything in her bags. The giggly children fell silent as groceries are removed from the bags until what is left is covered by her funds - yes, including the strawberries. I looked around and confirmed I was the only other customer within the vicinity and was so very, very sorely tempted to step forward and say words to the effect that the goods should go back in her bag and I will sort it out. But I didn't step forward, you see I thought the children would be mortified to see a stranger having to bale their Mum out. I didn't want to heap further public embarrassment on Mum in front of her children. Was I wrong?

Another day, different Mum. She comes into the Co-op and makes her way to the till when the young child picks up a bar of chocolate and looks lovingly at Mum. Mum says put that back, you're not having that. Mum pays for her single purchase - a four pack of lager.

Life is never straightforward or black and white is it?
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 11:45
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
I was in our Co-op and a Mum comes in with 2 excited children and gets her groceries including a punnet of strawberries and eventually she makes her way to the till. Goods are emptied from the basket into the bags. At the end of the process the cashier and Mum realise she simply doesn't have enough money to buy everything in her bags. The giggly children fell silent as groceries are removed from the bags until what is left is covered by her funds - yes, including the strawberries. I looked around and confirmed I was the only other customer within the vicinity and was so very, very sorely tempted to step forward and say words to the effect that the goods should go back in her bag and I will sort it out. But I didn't step forward, you see I thought the children would be mortified to see a stranger having to bale their Mum out. I didn't want to heap further public embarrassment on Mum in front of her children. Was I wrong?

Life is never straightforward or black and white is it?
Likewise behind a lady with more in her shopping trolley when in a store getting some lunch miles from where I live, stooping low with a sleight of hands I supposedly picked something up from floor, I just say "excuse me you dropped this", it was £10. She claimed she hadn't but i just said well it fell out of your pocket so can't be mine. She can now pay for what she got and leaves happy, lady behind counter looks at me and says "We all know you lying but as lies go she will think maybe it is not true". I smile, shrug, pay and leave.

You were not wrong as her kids seeing someone else paying for her groceries may be something she would rather not do. On other occasion I may not have been as quick / sneaky.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:45
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Given the scathing UN report on UK poverty, something that is an absolutely incredulous to believe, you know, Teachers feeding children out of their own pockets, folk in hospital with malnutrition due to benefit cuts, three million children living in poverty even though both parents work, the list is endless, things really are dire. Although I have lived outside the UK for twenty years, the Tory stench is evident even from here. And now a right wing coup... unbelievable.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 17:45
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Raceo, yellowtriumph, I wish there was a like button for your posts.
NOBODY wants to go to a food bank. Take what there is, eat it quickly because it's about to go off, healthy food? Probably not. Choice? Not a lot. Some of you here have obviously never known poverty, or even other people who were poor. I hope you don't ever find out from personal experience, because I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But at least don't sneer at those who are in a difficult situation. Please.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 18:21
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Analogy...

My Dad smoked all his life (I never have), right up to a nasty stroke after which his doctor told him to give up for a better chance of more years. He did on that day. Threw away his baccy and papers. No relapses. Years later, the topic came up and the college know-it-all (me) just suggested people grow a pair and just give it up. Blimey, he made Fergie's hairdryer seem a balmy breeze! "People like you have absolutely no idea-hardest single thing I ever did etc etc". Me: back firmly in box.

Similarly, on poverty: "Just stop being so 'kin poor and needy will you? Get a better job FFS! Sort yourself out!" They don't really address the journey of the person who finds themself at a food bank.

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Old 28th Aug 2019, 18:33
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There are the two issues here, the one as the OP noted that in his observed case the recipient had taken lifestyle choices to get to the stage of requiring the food bank. The other is the well observed point by many contributors that food banks and food kitchens serve a desperate need for some people who through the wrong choices or plain bad luck have ended up hungry.

In a medical situation for welfare cases of which I am familiar the number of people we see driving up in $30,000 dollar cars, she with a rock on her finger the size of a birds egg, he with a gold chain around the neck, are sadly quite frequent. We are not allowed to means test so we treat them all.

The tragedy of the commons extends to anything that appears free at the point of transaction. There will always be those who sponge on society when they are able. Those in positions to control this should try to minimise the misuse of fair charity.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 18:36
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There are the two issues here, the one as the OP noted that in his observed case the recipient had taken lifestyle choices to get to the stage of requiring the food bank. The other is the well observed point by many contributors that food banks and food kitchens serve a desperate need for some people who through the wrong choices or plain bad luck have ended up hungry.

In a medical situation for welfare cases of which I am familiar the number of people we see driving up in $30,000 dollar cars, she with a rock on her finger the size of a birds egg, he with a gold chain around the neck, are sadly quite frequent. We are not allowed to means test so we treat them all.

The tragedy of the commons extends to anything that appears free at the point of transaction. There will always be those who sponge on society when they are able. Those in positions to control this should try to minimise the misuse of fair charity.
I do not know what country you are from, but I understand that in the UK you cannot just rock up to a food bank and take what you want, my understanding is that you have to be referred to a food bank so I presume that is where a vetting process of some sort takes place. But perhaps I am completely wrong .. someone will be along in a moment and confirm etc.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 23:03
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..... There will always be those who sponge on society when they are able. Those in positions to control this should try to minimise the misuse of fair charity.
Indeed. And that is a top down process.
Starts with tax avoidance.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 23:26
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Indeed. And that is a top down process.
Starts with tax avoidance.

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Old 29th Aug 2019, 00:52
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I do not know what country you are from, but I understand that in the UK you cannot just rock up to a food bank and take what you want, my understanding is that you have to be referred to a food bank so I presume that is where a vetting process of some sort takes place. But perhaps I am completely wrong .. someone will be along in a moment and confirm etc.
You understand correctly. In addition to being vetted first, users are restricted as to how many times they use the service. They cant just get into the system and turn up every few days for a free box of groceries. The food bank will tell applicants where to go for referral, which will typically be local social services, health visitors etc.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 07:28
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
You understand correctly. In addition to being vetted first, users are restricted as to how many times they use the service. They cant just get into the system and turn up every few days for a free box of groceries. The food bank will tell applicants where to go for referral, which will typically be local social services, health visitors etc.
Thanks for that TT.
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DWP (nee DHSS) have a direct referral line too. My SIL works in a jobcentre and ensures those entitled get round to their nearest one.

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Old 29th Aug 2019, 14:19
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Take what there is, eat it quickly because it's about to go off, healthy food? Probably not. Choice? Not a lot.
Think you might be surprised.

I have been at Fareshare site in London and the day in question they had 2 tonnes of Fresh bananas in that were still not fully ripe (green). Major supermarket knew they had over ordered and had just got the truck direct to there not even going to their distribution centre.

Look at weather pattern in UK this week, heatwave to coolish, BBQ produce for heatwave and demand through the floor now. Produce goes to food banks so could be steaks and chicken today.

I know in fareshares case they support after school clubs and schools, community organisations that provide centres for disabled, old, ex militray etc.

Volunteers can be church people (I know many who do), ex military, ex prisoners and people who happily volunteer because it give them structure to a day and enables them to piece a life back together.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 17:20
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Ye gods, a lot of nasty comments here. FFS, many of those arriving at food banks go because they are in desperate need, they are not all Brexit voting, overweight, unemployed, tattooed, smoking, special brew drinking, dope addicted Sky TV viewers with the latest 60" wall to wall 4K Sony TV and a PlayStation or two, oh, and five kids.

Not that you'd know that from this thread though.
So how come on TV you see a family of 17 kids with both parents who don't claim benefits, don't use foodbanks and are not in desparate need of help when other families with just a couple of kids claim they 'can't manage'?
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 17:30
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So how come on TV you see a family of 17 kids with both parents who don't claim benefits, don't use foodbanks and are not in desparate need of help when other families with just a couple of kids claim they 'can't manage'?
Maybe the family with 17? kids are rich.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 19:42
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So how come on TV you see a family of 17 kids with both parents who don't claim benefits, don't use foodbanks and are not in desparate need of help when other families with just a couple of kids claim they 'can't manage'?
How come on TV you see people not claiming the old age pensions. Are you one of those ?
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 21:23
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Maybe the family with 17? kids are rich.
No. Both parents work to support their family.
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