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Old 13th Aug 2019, 22:18
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Epstein was a dead man walking from the moment of his arrest.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 08:59
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We are all dead men (or women) the moment we are born.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 02:21
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We are all dead men (or women) the moment we are born
I go for the moment of conception, then again, what about the participants in the swimming race to get there to claim the prize?
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 07:13
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/j...gled-dvdc5dsqv

Jeffrey Epstein post-mortem findings fuel rumours he was strangled

The post-mortem report on the death of Jeffrey Epstein was supposed to settle lingering doubts over how the most high-profile prisoner in America could have committed suicide in a maximum security prison. Instead, the discovery of multiple broken bones in his neck has raised more questions.

Epstein, 66, suffered a break in the hyoid bone, found in men near the Adam’s apple and common among victims of strangulation, The Washington Post reported, citing two anonymous sources. The finding could still lead to a determination that suicide was the cause of death, as such breaks do occur in cases of hanging, particularly in older people. But it apparently caused New York’s medical examiner to postpone a determination on the cause of death pending further investigation.......

Jonathan Arden, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, who was not involved in the post mortem, told The Washington Post that such a finding would often prompt an examination of the noose and of whether the body fell by any great distance during the course of the hanging. “If, hypothetically, the hyoid bone is broken, that would generally raise questions about strangulation but it is not definitive,” he said.

The hyoid, made up of three small connected bones, tends to harden in middle age into a U-shaped mass that is more easily broken. In a study of 20 suicides by hanging in Thailand, a quarter had broken hyoids. A larger review in India found such breaks in only 6 per cent of cases, but it appeared that the deceased were middle aged or younger......

Epstein was said to have tried to kill himself last month and was placed on suicide watch for six days. Later he claimed that the neck injuries were inflicted by his cellmate, a former police officer named Nicholas Tartaglione, the New York Post reported, citing an anonymous source. The latter’s lawyer denied the claims and said that Epstein wanted to be taken off suicide watch.

Days before he died he had seemed in “great spirits”, the paper reported, citing a source in his legal team. “What he really wanted to do was get bail so he could co-operate.” The source added that Epstein appeared “delusional” about his prospects of bail and a plea deal. The paper reported that he told his lawyer on Friday: “I’ll see you Sunday.”.......



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Old 16th Aug 2019, 20:47
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Are 'we' sure that Epstein is even dead ? Occam's razor would suggest yes, terminated by himself rather than another, but it has been known before to happen. The anti-Trump lobby are all over the connections between T&E back in the day, but to be honest Trump was 'King' of Manhattan back then and was always to be found on the party circuit surrounded by beautiful women and rich 'friends'. I'd have been amazed if there WASN"T photos of the two together at some event or soiree. I have always had the suspicion that Epstein and others set up honeytraps for those they knew were interested in younger than age sex partners, and those that might, just might be open in the right conditions. Thusly implicated with photo/film/audio evidence, these perpetrators were used subtly over time to influence policy and do the bidding of others. Their self-preservation (which tells you all you need to know about their characters) was so strong that they put it above their duties and allegiances to their countries. A dirty business, but no doubt has always happened one way or another.
Are you coming across curiosity of swapping meat wagons at the hospital. One of the first media photos shows black body bag carried out of hospital read exit into black OCME 4 x 4 then next press release sees OCME white van at ER entrance, with hospital divider curtains wheeled out concealing the ER entrance and the van?



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Old 16th Aug 2019, 21:17
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Radio news report a few minutes ago - the medical examiner has apparently determined cause of death as suicide.
I doubt it'll have any affect what so ever on the conspiracy theories. Heck, I'm generally not into conspiracy theories but I'm still suspicious. Too much questionable stuff.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 21:18
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When I heard that the hyoid bone was broken it stirred a distant memory from the forensic medicine I took as an outside course.
I'm sure (ish) we were taught that the hyoid was commonly damaged in strangulation but not in hanging because hanging pulls up over it rather than compressing it.
It was some twenty years ago though.

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Old 16th Aug 2019, 21:42
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
When I heard that the hyoid bone was broken it stirred a distant memory from the forensic medicine I took as an outside course.
I'm sure (ish) we were taught that the hyoid was commonly damaged in strangulation but not in hanging because hamhinghanging pulls up over it rather than compressing it.
It was some twenty years ago though.
The thread title took account of what I precieved as doubt in relation to death of Jeffrey.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 22:19
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
The thread title took account of what I precieved as doubt in relation to death of Jeffrey.
He was quite probably strangled, no great loss to society , but shall we imagine the media frenzy in the
US if this occurred in Russia !
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 22:32
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
The thread title took account of what I precieved as doubt in relation to death of Jeffrey.
Absolutely. You take everything you read online as gospel. No issues there.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 22:46
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Absolutely. You take everything you read online as gospel. No issues there.
Why the snide dig ?

I was aware of said individual for decade and a half, were you ?

His relationship with daughter of Sir Bob Bob Bob Bob Maxwells daughter was downplayed by UK media and never mentioned. When the scandal first arose, when he was arrested again, Google was found changing its search criteria so photo request of Epstein and Clinton brought up Epstein and Trump from 1990's.

The story about Prince Andrew being involved in underage sex with a teen never rang true, but in his job he met lots of leaders on behalf of UK Govt / Trade. Interesting career for someone senior in royal household with so much military experience.



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Old 25th Aug 2019, 09:47
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Does Prince Andrew protesteth too much?

Didn't he continue to actively socialise with Epstein - even after Epstein had served time for “soliciting a minor for prostitution”? Even though he pleaded guilty to this “lesser” charge than paying underage girls to perform certain acts, he was clearly not a wholesome individual. Clearly shows Andrew is either incredibly thick, is a very poor judge of character or incredibly arrogant to continue to associate and accept favours from such a seedy individual. He can’t claim, in defence, that he knew nothing about the goings on. Even if he wasn’t there, his aides must have advised him and there was enough publicity at the time.

Several years ago, Andrew was staying at a country house and decided to pop down late in the evening to the kitchen for a snack. The 10 members staff were all off duty and sitting around the kitchen table, relaxing and having a laugh. Andrew appeared in the doorway and although he was acknowledged, the staff kept on chatting amongst themselves.
In a loud voice, Andrew said, “Right. Let’s do this again. I’ll go out of the door. I’ll enter and you’ll all stand up and say Good Evening Sir!”
Just about sums up his general attitude.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 11:23
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Does Prince Andrew protesteth too much?

Didn't he continue to actively socialise with Epstein - even after Epstein had served time for “soliciting a minor for prostitution”? Even though he pleaded guilty to this “lesser” charge than paying underage girls to perform certain acts, he was clearly not a wholesome individual. Clearly shows Andrew is either incredibly thick, is a very poor judge of character or incredibly arrogant to continue to associate and accept favours from such a seedy individual. He can’t claim, in defence, that he knew nothing about the goings on. Even if he wasn’t there, his aides must have advised him and there was enough publicity at the time.

Several years ago, Andrew was staying at a country house and decided to pop down late in the evening to the kitchen for a snack. The 10 members staff were all off duty and sitting around the kitchen table, relaxing and having a laugh. Andrew appeared in the doorway and although he was acknowledged, the staff kept on chatting amongst themselves.
In a loud voice, Andrew said, “Right. Let’s do this again. I’ll go out of the door. I’ll enter and you’ll all stand up and say Good Evening Sir!”
Just about sums up his general attitude.
And is it not strange he now 'distances' himself when Epstein is dead but never did so when Epstein was alive? He now also releases a statement (Today) saying and I quote 'He saw no evidence of wrongdoing' and had no suspicion of same even though at that point (2010) Epstein was a convicted paedophile? something stinks badly here the more he opens his mouth the bigger the hole appears.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 11:36
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
When the scandal first arose, when he was arrested again, Google was found changing its search criteria so photo request of Epstein and Clinton brought up Epstein and Trump from 1990's.
Got any evidence for that? Seems to be fake news:

Did Google Remove Photos of Bill Clinton with Jeffrey Epstein from Search Results? False

Despite Clinton having ridden on Epstein’s jet he never seems to have been photographed with him, unlike Trump who has been photographed with Epstein several times.
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Despite Clinton having ridden on Epstein’s jet he never seems to have been photographed with him, unlike Trump who has been photographed with Epstein several times.
That just makes me even more suspicious that Clinton knew exactly what Epstein was all about.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 12:05
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post


Got any evidence for that? Seems to be fake news:

Did Google Remove Photos of Bill Clinton with Jeffrey Epstein from Search Results? False

Despite Clinton having ridden on Epstein’s jet he never seems to have been photographed with him, unlike Trump who has been photographed with Epstein several times.
Doesn't mean he was never photographed, just means someone else controls them.

Interesting that in Feb 2015 Trump knew something was going on with Clinton and Epstein, If he knew then you can guarantee that it was not that much of a secret BUT is does give Clinton a long time to ensure that no photos of him exist.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c48062...-cpac-feb-2015
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 12:09
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Does Prince Andrew protesteth too much?

Didn't he continue to actively socialise with Epstein - even after Epstein had served time for “soliciting a minor for prostitution”? Even though he pleaded guilty to this “lesser” charge than paying underage girls to perform certain acts, he was clearly not a wholesome individual. Clearly shows Andrew is either incredibly thick, is a very poor judge of character or incredibly arrogant to continue to associate and accept favours from such a seedy individual. He can’t claim, in defence, that he knew nothing about the goings on. Even if he wasn’t there, his aides must have advised him and there was enough publicity at the time.

Several years ago, Andrew was staying at a country house and decided to pop down late in the evening to the kitchen for a snack. The 10 members staff were all off duty and sitting around the kitchen table, relaxing and having a laugh. Andrew appeared in the doorway and although he was acknowledged, the staff kept on chatting amongst themselves.
In a loud voice, Andrew said, “Right. Let’s do this again. I’ll go out of the door. I’ll enter and you’ll all stand up and say Good Evening Sir!”
Just about sums up his general attitude.
Andrew working on behalf of UK Govt in a role suited to his previous career.
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Doesn't mean he was never photographed, just means someone else controls them.

Interesting that in Feb 2015 Trump knew something was going on with Clinton and Epstein, If he knew then you can guarantee that it was not that much of a secret BUT is does give Clinton a long time to ensure that no photos of him exist.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c48062...-cpac-feb-2015
In the digital age it’s impossible to erase photos. The Clintons aren’t running some uber effective secret spy agency. If there was photos of Bill and Epstein I’m sure they would be publically accessible. There are pictures of Bill Clinton and Ghislane Maxwell in the public domain.

Trump probably knew something was going on between Clinton and Epstein because he had something going on between himself and Epstein. Like hosting parties for him at Mar a Lago in which the only other invited guests were younger women, having Epstein host him parties in NYC, telling the media “he was a great guy who likes younger women”, having phone conversations with him from as recent as 2004, being listed in Epstein’s “Little Black Book” multiple times along with Melania and Ivanka, having the guy who brokered the “plea deal of the century” for Epstein join his cabinet, having the son of the guy who gave Epstein a teaching job when he wasn’t qualified for it join his cabinet, riding on his aircraft at least once, Epstein riding in Trump’s aircraft once.....
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 14:28
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In the digital age it’s impossible to erase photos. The Clintons aren’t running some uber effective secret spy agency. If there was photos of Bill and Epstein I’m sure they would be publically accessible. There are pictures of Bill Clinton and Ghislane Maxwell in the public domain.


Get real, its easy to get rid of plus all you need is a Google or another Tech giant on your side assisting. This didn't happen in last 2 weeks.
Fact there is one's with Sir BobBobBob's daughter makes you wonder why not with Jeffrey............... strange coincidence.
Bill never far away from a photo op, everywhere he goes, just amazing how backstory has been cleansed.

Trump probably knew something was going on between Clinton and Epstein because he had something going on between himself and Epstein. Like hosting parties for him at Mar a Lago in which the only other invited guests were younger women, having Epstein host him parties in NYC, telling the media “he was a great guy who likes younger women”, having phone conversations with him from as recent as 2004, being listed in Epstein’s “Little Black Book” multiple times along with Melania and Ivanka, having the guy who brokered the “plea deal of the century” for Epstein join his cabinet, having the son of the guy who gave Epstein a teaching job when he wasn’t qualified for it join his cabinet, riding on his aircraft at least once, Epstein riding in Trump’s aircraft once.....
2004 is a hell of a long time ago and Trump got rid of rid out of his circle, kind of tells you he knew what he was up to and wanted well away from him. The fact there is zero contact in any way shape or form tells you since you what is happening. One of those who have wormed his way into your circle whom you never publicly cut off but his phone calls never get returned, meeting requests get unanswered and you put as much distance from that person.

If Trump knew in 2015 then so did many other people, would Trump have done stuff as President to protect Bill, answer is yes, same as he would for Obama because they are Ex Presidents and you may hate the guy but there were your predecessors and politics doesn't come into it.

I however think Epstein's island was an Intel clearing house as much as it was there for Epstein's personal use.
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
Several years ago, Andrew was staying at a country house and decided to pop down late in the evening to the kitchen for a snack. The 10 members staff were all off duty and sitting around the kitchen table, relaxing and having a laugh. Andrew appeared in the doorway and although he was acknowledged, the staff kept on chatting amongst themselves.
In a loud voice, Andrew said, “Right. Let’s do this again. I’ll go out of the door. I’ll enter and you’ll all stand up and say Good Evening Sir!”
Just about sums up his general attitude.
Oh for the Good Old Days, when people were brought up to know their place.

In the Good Old Days the kitchen was the servants' domain. A properly brought up visiting gentleman seeking refreshment late at night might enter, on invitation (hesitating in the doorway until one of the servants nods at him will do), but should apologise for disturbing them during their time off, help himself to what he wants, and leave, as unobtrusively as possible. (Unless, of course, they pass him a beer and offer him a seat, in which case he should accept and make polite conversation for five minutes, and then bugger off and leave them alone.)
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