Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Reload this Page >

New Terrorist Tactic?

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

New Terrorist Tactic?

Old 30th Jul 2019, 13:27
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Balikpapan, INDONESIA
Age: 68
Posts: 535
Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
One human pushes a mother and child in front of a moving train. Unacceptable behaviour in any country or society and should be equally punished anywhere on the planet.
I agree. Seems like a very convincing argument for the death penalty.
WingNut60 is offline  
Old 30th Jul 2019, 19:11
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: apogee
Age: 65
Posts: 59
Anyone seen any recent stats or have personal in situ observations on the progress of the process of integrating a million + foreign peoples into German society?
You know, the wins, the losses.
meadowrun is online now  
Old 31st Jul 2019, 06:26
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: 57 North
Posts: 77
Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
One human pushes a mother and child in front of a moving train. Unacceptable behaviour in any country or society and should be equally punished anywhere on the planet.
Unacceptable? That's a bit mealy-mouthed, don't you think? How about barbaric, criminal?
Chuck Glider is offline  
Old 31st Jul 2019, 17:07
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,037
One can be pushed in front of a train by: a terrorist, a random loony, a common drunk, or an ordinary person who trips on the pavement.

I've assumed this was a danger since the first time I ever remember waiting for a train (long before "terrorism" was something i knew about), and have never seen any point in standing closer than 6 feet/2m from the platform edge.

But don't take that as blaming the victim! One should be free to stand wherever one wants - I just personally give myself a wide margin for error.

Terrorists will, of course, take advantage of any means of causing death and mayhem. From pushing people in front of trains, to driving vehicles into crowds, to flying planes into buildings.

It's up to society to determine what methods it will use to limit would-be terrorists' access to those means.
pattern_is_full is online now  
Old 31st Jul 2019, 18:26
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: surfing, watching for sharks
Posts: 3,592
One can be pushed in front of a train by: a terrorist, a random loony, a common drunk, or an ordinary person who trips on the pavement.
The person flying a plane into a building can be a terrorist, a random loony or a common drunk. Got me on the tripping over the pavement.

Yes, anyone can do it. The question is what’s the likelihood it’s terrorism, not what’s the potential it wasn’t.
West Coast is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2019, 14:25
  #26 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: South Gloucestershire
Posts: 39
Make the punishment fit the grime.
frampton is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2019, 17:19
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: on the ground
Posts: 299
Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
One can be pushed in front of a train by: a terrorist, a random loony, a common drunk, or an ordinary person who trips on the pavement.
Furthermore, I'm not convinced that ethnic origin or religious faith, or even espousing a terrorist motivation, really qualifies a random loony as an actual terrorist.

nonsense is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2019, 17:49
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: About to move
Posts: 36
Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post

It's up to society to determine what methods it will use to limit would-be terrorists' access to those means.
Up to society? Well, since the government is a part of society, those people (terrorists) are very welcome to them.
Slow and curious is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 00:59
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Arlington, Tx. US
Posts: 607
Another terrorist attack in El Paso Texas today. Turns out to be perpetrated by another Trump “good person” white nationalist. When will the Texas Governor and Trump stand up against them to end the carnage.
The Sultan is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 01:24
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: apogee
Age: 65
Posts: 59
When?
Well, it's the numbers you see. The double digits killed or wounded are obviously not enough to kick in the cojones required.
It's a cost/benefit/pissing off the NRA and other bases equation.
Probably going to need high triple digits before the bright sparks might begin to see the glimmer of chance of a problem with a few hundred million firearms out there and armed civilians worried about the effect on the size of their penises without a gun or three.
After that high shooter in Vegas, what happened? A lot of lip service sorrow from the pertinent scripts and some very limited jurisdictional crackdowns on bump stocks.
It was the bump stocks I tell you. They were responsible for the carnage. He was just shooting too fast.
meadowrun is online now  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 04:32
  #31 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: heathrow
Posts: 52
As far as I'm concerned, there's one easy way to show that mass shootings are so common and expected in the USA and that is that when one happens and 20 people are killed and at least that number injured, it doesn't even warrant it's own separate thread on this forum.
747 jock is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 08:09
  #32 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Balikpapan, INDONESIA
Age: 68
Posts: 535
And now, another one - Dayton Ohio

An active shooter killed at least 10 people at Ned Peppers bar in Dayton, Ohio just hours after a gunman in El Paso, Texas shot and killed 20 people at a Walmart, according to WHIO-TV.
Authorities referred to the Dayton shooting as a “mass casualty incident” on the scanner.
WingNut60 is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 08:39
  #33 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: not scotland
Posts: 196
Originally Posted by 747 jock View Post
As far as I'm concerned, there's one easy way to show that mass shootings are so common and expected in the USA and that is that when one happens and 20 people are killed and at least that number injured, it doesn't even warrant it's own separate thread on this forum.
As shocking as the statement from the Texas AG is to non US personnel, perhaps this is an approach to be adopted, linked in with other measures.

Usual mealy mouthed "Thoughts and prayers" bullshit from politicians, predominately those on the right.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, however, said gun control would probably not have stopped the attack.

He added that if a "crazy" gunman launched such an attack, there was no way that law enforcement officers could be there to stop it.

"The best way is to be prepared to defend yourself," he told CBS News.


Toadstool is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 11:24
  #34 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 11,770
That would be this Ken Paxton:

"The more we talk about gun regulation, the more people are gonna die," the Texas attorney general told the audience of about 30 delegates and guests [at the 2018 Texas Republican Convention].

Paxton encouraged those in attendance to look to Israel's response to a Palestinian terrorist attack in 1974, which he characterized as a school shooting. Paxton, who just a few months ago contradicted law enforcement authorities live on Fox News during the Austin bombings and subsequently apologized, claimed that Israel has armed teachers in response ever since.

That line has been hustled by the NRA ó and debunked by Israeli officials ó since the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting that left 20 elementary students dead in Connecticut. Israel doesnít arm teachers, but rather, as one principal put it, has ďat least one armed security guard.Ē In fact, access to firearms for Israeli citizens is much more limited that in the United States.


DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 12:39
  #35 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: London/Oxford/New York
Posts: 2,351
Name one single example of a mass shooter being taken out by an armed non law enforcement citizen in the US.
pr00ne is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 12:53
  #36 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Here
Posts: 309
Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Name one single example of a mass shooter being taken out by an armed non law enforcement citizen in the US.
I don't know the accuracy of this page:

https://www.conservapedia.com/Mass_s...armed_citizens
yellowtriumph is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 16:32
  #37 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: U.S.A
Age: 52
Posts: 453
Conservapedia,

Pandering to the ignorant opinion of the religious right for a decade. Pro gun, racist, sexist, birther conspiracy theory pushing bottom dwellers?

But if that’s where you form your opinions, knock yourself out.
oicur12.again is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 17:05
  #38 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Here
Posts: 309
Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
Conservapedia,

Pandering to the ignorant opinion of the religious right for a decade. Pro gun, racist, sexist, birther conspiracy theory pushing bottom dwellers?

But if thatís where you form your opinions, knock yourself out.
I don't who or what this organisation represents and I posted the link because it seemed pertinent to the question. Not knowing the origin of the information nor its veracity led me to qualify the link with the words "I do not know the accuracy of this page".

You sir, are very rude.
yellowtriumph is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 17:48
  #39 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Location: Location!
Posts: 1,987
Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
Conservapedia,

Pandering to the ignorant opinion of the religious right for a decade. Pro gun, racist, sexist, birther conspiracy theory pushing bottom dwellers?

But if thatís where you form your opinions, knock yourself out.
Well, we certainly now know your opinion of the website concerned, but not whether you concede whether or not it is accurate in terms of the instances listed.

Jack
Union Jack is offline  
Old 4th Aug 2019, 17:59
  #40 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: West Wiltshire, UK
Age: 67
Posts: 378
It seems that the "conservipedia" site is, at best, a bit disingenuous. For example, it states that Norway has more mass shootings per capita than the USA. They seem to be basing that on one mass shooting in Norway, that claimed 77 victims. If the words "mass shooting" appear in the news then I'd bet that most people would automatically assume it was in the USA. Frankly, if the population of the USA is OK with people going on mass shooting sprees, then why should we be critical? It's their problem, and if they wanted to fix it they could, but it seems there's no desire to.
VP959 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.