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Old 17th Jul 2019, 12:56
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Rail firm fined for passengers actions

My ineptitude prevents me posting a link from my phone but Govia Thameslink have been fined 1m for health and safety breaches after a passengers head struck a steel gantry as he leant out of a window.
24 year old Simon Brown who reportedly worked on trains and was a rail enthusiast was killed.
The court found that warning stickers were inadequate and cluttered.
Now I knew from a fairly young age that sticking my head out of a train window was a bad idea. Certainly by 24, despite having no particular interest in trains, I didn't need a sticker to remind me of this.
Why should the company pay for the injudicious actions of an adult?
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 13:04
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It's the blame culture and the sue culture, hence you have warnings plastered over everything, vehicle may be further away in US on car mirrrors, Contents hot on Coffee cups after McD sued over spilt drink..
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 13:07
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It does seem a bit silly. How much common sense do you need to know that leaning out of train windows can be fatal?

Especially if you've worked on a preserved railway...
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49016151
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Surely this person merits a place of honour in the Darwin thread.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 13:21
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Thanks treadigraph.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 13:37
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Surely Network Rail should have put the pylons further out 😀

Similarly the word Express might have suggested it was fast.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 14:08
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It's a long time since I travelled on a train in the UK, but I used to get the train to school years ago. These were slam door trains, with a sliding window, and the only sign I can remember them having was a prominent warning under the window to not open either the window or door whilst the train was moving. Being kids we all used to slide the windows down and lean out...
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 14:55
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there was also no-one on the train to monitor the use of the window at the time.
Someone is having a giraffe!
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A giraffe would have suffered a severe neck injury but its head would have been ok.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 15:21
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We seem to have lost any sense of self responsibility.
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This happened last year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ow-police.html

there are still a great number of HST’s with drop light windows used to open doors running about the network.
With four doors per coach and an eight coach set, that’s a lot of doors to supervise.
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Time was when European transcontinental passenger carriages had four-language notices by the windows. As I remember it we had:
Do not lean out of the window
Nicht hinauslehnen
Ne pas se pencher en dehors
all of which are clear prohibitions, but the Italians being of a sporting nature were told
E pericoloso sporgere
and left to do as they liked.
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Perhaps I am behind the times and spend too much time out of the country, but this story is hard to believe. Even if the warning sticker was cluttered by other stickers, this guy is still 100% or more at fault. Nuts. Has the world been turned inside out?
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Tashengurt.

Responsibility, what’s that?

If you have an accident these days, someone else is always to blame.
Years ago if you slipped up and knocked your head, you saw stars,
now you just see ’s!
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 17:10
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Originally Posted by Allan Lupton View Post
Time was when European transcontinental passenger carriages had four-language notices by the windows. As I remember it we had:
Do not lean out of the window
Nicht hinauslehnen
Ne pas se pencher en dehors
all of which are clear prohibitions, but the Italians being of a sporting nature were told
E pericoloso sporgere
and left to do as they liked.
I had one of those signs, and, therefore, memorised the phrases in all languages - still remember them today, 60 years on.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
vehicle may be further away in US on car mirrrors, Contents hot on Coffee cups after McD sued over spilt drink..
Seen in the US in the 1980s, on a path in the middle of a rain forest: "WARNING: path may be slippery when wet".
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Seen in the US in the 1980s, on a path in the middle of a rain forest: "WARNING: path may be slippery when wet".
Saw this sign at Lake Parker when at Sun'n'Fun years ago:




It reads something like "WARNING This is an active alligator crossing area. Keep on the path and hold children by the hand"

It always struck me that holding a child by the hand was probably a recipe for both of you getting eaten. Mind you, when wading out to help a friend who'd just flown in come ashore there was this sign in the water (as if we needed reminding that swimming might not be a good idea):







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We did a rain Forrest walk in the US VI with slippy when wet notices. The paths were tarmac. They had rain shelters for when it rained.

We think they had sensors that set off hoses so we got the rain Forrest experience.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 21:56
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Near where I was born was a road roundabout appropriately known as "five lamps" because of the five street lamps on it's outer edge. A local tearaway stuck his head out of his mate's car window while his mate drifted it round there at high speed. Thereafter it was better known as "four lamps"....

Another school acquaintance drowned in the local river after messing about and falling out of a rowing boat. In those days, there were no lifejackets at the council run boat hire place. No-one got sued. But that was fifty years ago when Darwin's theory of natural selection was easier to prove.
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