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Old 17th Jul 2019, 14:49
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
What is most likely to 'nudge' the politicians into a response? ... VPs domestic arrangements or some dedicated activists operating in unison?
The simple answer is probably MONEY

Governments are not that much different from people, being made up of people (although some may argue that people in government are far from normal or representative). The simple reason we chose to build our new house as a "zero carbon" house had nothing much to do with ideals, saving the planet, protests by activists, etc. We did it because the additional cost was pretty tiny, given that we wanted to build ourselves a house anyway, and I pretty quickly realised that we'd be a fair bit better off from not having to pay any energy bills, no water bill etc. My wife saw that saving as an extra holiday every year, which pretty much put the seal on the decision. The bonus was finding out that the low energy house happens to be very quiet and comfortable, and the additional bonus was finding that the filter on the ventilation system keeps out pollen, so no more hay fever indoors and nice fresh air all the time.

The emphasis on saving money goes for pretty much anything else. If LED street lights save enough money and work as well then councils will install them. If electric cars match the price and performance of ICE cars and cost less to run people will buy them. If more fuel efficient, and hence lower emissions, aircraft are cheaper to operate then airlines will buy them. If it's cheaper to generate electricity from renewables than from other energy sources then generating companies will invest in renewable generation. This is no different from oil or gas exploration; when there's a market, someone will seek to supply it at the best price.

If protesters want to change things, then they should seek to influence the cost of the changes they want. Lower the cost of something beneficial to the planet and people will respond to that, to a far greater degree than from just yelling at them in the street.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
The simple answer is probably MONEY

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If protesters want to change things, then they should seek to influence the cost of the changes they want. Lower the cost of something beneficial to the planet and people will respond to that, to a far greater degree than from just yelling at them in the street.
Exactly. Remember unleaded/leaded fuel? We bought a car that could take unleaded petrol when there were only two petrol stations in town selling unleaded petrol. Within a few months the tax on unleaded fuel was REDUCED. Within a month every single petrol station in town was selling unleaded.

Price reductions change choices far, far, far quicker than trying to hit people with price increases.

But don't expect any of that sort of common sense from these present dimwits. They don't really want to change anything because they don't really know what they are on about. They are just there for the 'occasion'.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 10:55
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 12:10
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I have sympathy for the basic concerns and need for action on the climate, consumption of resource and the like. However this group are clearly more interested in some anarchist personal agendas. To make change you need to convince, bribe and explain to the population. This bunch is not helping that discussion.. The reaction to the events shown in the video posted by Nutloose show they are not interested in getting public support. Not sure it will get more people voting for the green party sadly
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Old 20th Jul 2019, 12:53
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VP's point is well made - human greed is probably the greatest motivator for anything and is certainly the case within the established Corridors of Power. For those of us who cannot be bothered to chase 50p reductions in the cost of pork scratchings or gas bills or whatever, the 'dimwits' serve to remind us that gross money-grabbing is not the most edifying human trait, whatever the ginger cat-carrier might prattle about. Individual efforts such as VP's are to be commended but will do little to raise public consciousness; the 'dimwits', however, have brought their cause to the population as a whole. The naysayers on this thread, despite their telepathic knowledge of strangers' life-styles, obviously dislike the idea of getting off their f..t a...s to do something provocative.
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Old 20th Jul 2019, 13:16
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Individual efforts such as VP's are to be commended but will do little to raise public consciousness; the 'dimwits', however, have brought their cause to the population as a whole.
And have achieved what? How have their actions been of the remotest benefit to tackling climate change?

As far as I can see, the recent protests actually increased emissions (both through the protesters transport requirements and the gridlock created by the protests) and at the same time p****** a lot of people off.

The protesters, of course, will go home terribly pleased with themselves; in their own minds they are environmental guerrillas whose actions have successfully struck a blow for the cause of environmental awareness. And those who already sympathise will, of course, nod their heads in approval.

But the neutrals? Those who were caught up in the jams? Those who suffered inconvenience? The general public who will have heard the story about the man who was unable to reach his dying father? It's difficult to see how these stunts by ER will have won over anyone who isn't already a supporter.
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Old 20th Jul 2019, 13:33
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But the neutrals? Those who were caught up in the jams? Those who suffered inconvenience? The general public who will have heard the story about the man who was unable to reach his dying father? It's difficult to see how these stunts by ER will have won over anyone who isn't already a supporter.
I believe that this was one reason why the more extreme animal rights protest groups decided not to continue to pursue disruptive demonstrations.

Where we used to live we were subjected to "direct action" from animal rights protesters from time to time. On one occasion they parked a rusty Transit across our drive one Saturday morning, preventing us getting out of the house, whilst they stood in the road yelling and spray painting slogans all over the place. The police refused to move the van, and chose to just monitor the demonstration all day. The demonstration was universally condemned in the local press, and a pressure group was formed locally to take action against radical animal rights protesters should they seek to pull a stunt like this again. The demonstrations stopped, not because Porton Down (just down the road) had stopped animal experiments (they haven't, even now) but because the organisers realised that demonstrations of this type tended to create antipathy towards themselves, and hence to their cause.
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