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Old 11th Jul 2019, 13:28
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A degree of common sense .....

I heard on the news this morning that a decision has been made to make a degree a requirement for joining the police. Whether this applies to the whole of the UK I donít know, but unless there are plans for a degree in Common Sense, then this strikes me as being a retrograde step. The reason given is that policing is becoming more and more technical. One wonders however, how the possession of a degree helps in an armed response or providing understanding and support to the victim of a crime. There is a danger here that the thin blue line will lose many potentially excellent coppers if/when this is implemented.

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There are so few (and there will be fewer) coppers these days, they may as well make it a grad job as a weeding exercise. Plus, about 50% of the population will have one soon anyway. AND... if you give em a job, you get the loan paid back. Silver linings.

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Something for those with degrees in Meeja studies to do?
Or maybe all those graduates from London Met Uni? (Otherwise known as North London Poly, Marxist's Socialist Training Section)
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 14:20
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Pretty soon the requirement will be for first class honours:

'Grade inflation' means 80% more top degree grades
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When I graduated in 1973, virtually no-one got a First. Now there are about 10 times as many undergrads, and they just have to turn up to get a First.
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So Plan B above will scupper Plan A ?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44433881
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 16:38
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It's not that a degree is required to join.
New recruits are put through a three year course in conjunction with a university (much like nurses)
At the end they come out with a degree in policing.
Not a bad deal really. I don't know what option there is for honours though.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 17:57
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Originally Posted by Tashengurt View Post
It's not that a degree is required to join.
New recruits are put through a three year course in conjunction with a university (much like nurses)
At the end they come out with a degree in policing.
Not a bad deal really. I don't know what option there is for honours though.
How on earth does that square with Boris saying he'll put another 20000 coppers in uniform by 2022?

Personally I think being a good copper is more about 'reading' people, not books.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 18:01
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How on earth does that square with Boris saying he'll put another 20000 coppers in uniform by 2022?
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You believe a Boris promise?

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You believe a Boris promise?
I don't believe any politician's promise. Remember the old adage about how to tell when a politician is lying?
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
How on earth does that square with Boris saying he'll put another 20000 coppers in uniform by 2022?

Personally I think being a good copper is more about 'reading' people, not books.
It doesn't. It is just one stream of recruitment used including 'Police now' which is aimed at graduates and various accelerated promotion/ direct entry schemes but even if there was a massive recruitment drive that wouldn't replace decades of experience driven out under May.

You're right of course, all the education in the world won't help at 3am trying to talk a teenager into putting the knife they've been self harming with down.

The unique job that is Policing. CPR on an elderly man one minute, dispute over Facebook the next.
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I have heard (from a nursing acquaintance) that there is a move back towards SENs - that's State Enrolled Nurses rather than Special Educational Needs.
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I think it would be a rare profession where formal post-school education would not improve early year job performance.

At universities I was involved with, a degree was usually Ďvaluedí at around 10 years equivalent work experience.

At the same time, some of the best people I worked had few formal qualifications while a couple of the worst I worked with had PhDs

The bottom line though is that for the professions I had involvement with, a degree raised the capability of the average of all employees by quite a margin
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It's probably being done to fit in with many other government organisations i.e. more chiefs than Indians.
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
How on earth does that square with Boris saying he'll put another 20000 coppers in uniform by 2022?
Ignoring the need to get 20,000+ applications, start in Sep 20, in Sep 22 they start their third year. Put them in uniform on the streets for their final year.

But an aspiration for graduate police does not imply no non-graduates immediately.

I was told a couple of years ago that PCSOs had been permitted additional powers, powers that could then be authorised by chief constables. Many police recruits have previously been PCSO.
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When I was doing my degree at Exeter in the 90s I made friends with a chap who was an inspector in the Met. He was given three years away from his duties to do a degree (history and politics in his case). It was thought only fair to give the opportunity to do a degree to coppers who had come up the hard way through the ranks, as opposed to those on the then fast-track graduate scheme. Whereas the rest of us were skint living on grants (remember them?) he was not only drawing full salary but getting extra money to pay for his accommodation and a "plain clothes" allowance to keep him in jeans and trainers. He was single and had a succession of girlfriends who I suspect were attracted to the idea of a meal out consisting of something more than a MacDonalds!
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Once upon a time the qualifications for being a policemen was a minimum height of 5 feet 10 inches and built like a brick outhouse. In those days policemen were respected. Now they're often short and fat and our young snowflake society regards them with derision.

I should mention that they were mostly very "street-wise" and seemed to know their "beat" inside out.
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I should mention that they were mostly very "street-wise" and seemed to know their "beat" inside out.
And that's not something you learn in a classroom.......
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I should mention that they were mostly very "street-wise" and seemed to know their "beat" inside out.
Sadly 'The beat' is a dying concept. Officers cover large geographic areas in purely reactive roles.
The days of walking the beat cuffing scoundrels round the ear are long gone.
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Sadly 'The beat' is a dying concept. Officers cover large geographic areas in purely reactive roles.
The days of walking the beat cuffing scoundrels round the ear are long gone.
Mores the pity...........!!! The Police are becoming ever more detached from the people they are there to police. This is just a further step along the way....

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