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Old 12th Jul 2019, 16:57
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Had a conversation with a relative regarding a flight he was taking to come back to Uk for a visit, he has the big G installed with all the apps. I booked the flights and had not yet sent him the details of them. I block G from everything I can. Lo and behold that in less than 1 hour after we spoke he was getting ads pop up on all the places in London he could visit plus in the stopover city.

As we had only spoken by mobile and he had not emailed or searched for any flights he taking he was a bit shocked.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 19:20
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Sat in the middle of a field talking to a mate about decorating.
I've do a room every winter, he hasn't touched a paint pot or brush for years.
Thus I've done G searches, he hasn't.
We discuss Dulux.
Sat on the table in front of us is his shiny Android, my shiny iPhone.
Next morning, his Facebook feed (and only his) is riddled with ads for... Dulux.
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 06:34
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I recently made a furniture skateboard out of an old wooden bedframe and was thinking - only thinking mind - about making a second with the remaining wood. I thought I might see if I could get some more castors off Amazon, and lo! Up pops an Amazon advert for castors on PPRuNe! I promise you I have not researched castors on Google or anywhere else, I don't have Alexa and I haven't even spoken the word castor (or even bollox). Coincidence? Or can my laptop/smart phone read my mind?
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 07:40
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What's a 3rd Party Cookie, and how is it used to track users?
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 08:50
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Agreeing to the terms and conditions grants Microsoft the right to look at any file you open on your machine, be it an email, spreadsheet, document or whatever. As soon as you open any application, Microsoft has the right to collect data from that application, even down to logging keystrokes from your keyboard if they wish.

That means that everything that appears on your screen, including your contact list, file listings or whatever can, in principle, be accessed by Microsoft. Whether they do access all the data they have a right to I don't know, I suspect that data telemetry is fairly limited to stuff they can make money from, or use to improve the way their stuff works (from their perspective, rather than the users).
There must be some other constraints on what they can access and use, surely.

While individual users may provide tacit agreement to them accessing their data, I can't see major corporations or government bodies agreeing to such conditions (access to data) as a condition of use of either the operating system or applications.
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 09:13
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There must be some other constraints on what they can access and use, surely.

While individual users may provide tacit agreement to them accessing their data, I can't see major corporations or government bodies agreeing to such conditions (access to data) as a condition of use of either the operating system or applications.
Business users and governments do not use the same version, they use the Enterprise version of Windows which excludes the telemetry and data collection. In the case of the Enterprise version of Windows used by the British government, all data collection and telemetry is absent, and I'd assume the same would be the case for other business users. Those business and government users pay a fair bit more to Microsoft in licensing fees, though.
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Business users and governments do not use the same version, they use the Enterprise version of Windows which excludes the telemetry and data collection. In the case of the Enterprise version of Windows used by the British government, all data collection and telemetry is absent, and I'd assume the same would be the case for other business users. Those business and government users pay a fair bit more to Microsoft in licensing fees, though.
Thanks. I guess I knew that, sort of.

I wonder how many business users are aware of or bear that in mind when using devices with standard versions of the operating system to connect to their business servers.
Or how many businesses even bother with the Enterprise version(s).
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 11:54
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Thanks. I guess I knew that, sort of.

I wonder how many business users are aware of or bear that in mind when using devices with standard versions of the operating system to connect to their business servers.
Or how many businesses even bother with the Enterprise version(s).
It wouldn't surprise me if a fair few smaller businesses just used non-Enterprise versions of Windows, TBH. My guess is that it may only be businesses that contract out their IT provision, or who have an in-house IT section, that may bother to pay the licensing fees to Microsoft for the Enterprise version. The licensing structure is different for Enterprise users, in that they pay a fee for ongoing use and support from Microsoft. When I was working we paid Microsoft so much that some of our IT staff seemed to spend almost as much time at Microsoft's Reading HQ as they did at work. Never did understand why they had to go to Reading all the time, when we were paying Microsoft loads of money.
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 12:03
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I worked for a large Japanese corporation who were absolutely anal when it came to system security following a major intrusion that was perceived as a shameful failing; the type that has people leaping off tall buildings.
They would not touch any new release software and only moved away from XP for employee laptops when Microsoft finally pulled the plug.

Internally, they had several divisions developing software, one of which divisions alone employed more than 2000 people classed as "programmers".
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 12:21
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
I worked for a large Japanese corporation who were absolutely anal when it came to system security following a major intrusion that was perceived as a shameful failing; the type that has people leaping off tall buildings.
They would not touch any new release software and only moved away from XP for employee laptops when Microsoft finally pulled the plug.

Internally, they had several divisions developing software, one of which divisions alone employed more than 2000 people classed as "programmers".
Our IT people at work were similar, we always ran pretty old versions of everything, as the view was that they probably knew about most of the bugs in the old stuff. The same goes for lots of public sector organisations, I believe. IIRC, large parts of the NHS were still using XP a couple of years ago, when the WannaCry virus attack happened. My guess is that they would have been paying Microsoft loads of money for extended support.

Having said that, a few weeks ago I noticed that one of the self-service checkout machines in our local supermarket had crashed. It was still running Embedded Windows XP (the screen showed the standard XP desktop, rather than the supermarket screen). Interesting, given that these machines are internet connected and operate card reader machines for payment.
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Old 14th Jul 2019, 14:24
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I should have been more clear.
I think the problem is cross platform.
i.e. I created a new identity with LinkedIn on my PC (windows 10) but I think there was a data swap with my Android phone. I don't do social media but I do have Whatsapp on my phone which I now understand is owned by Facebook. That data has been swapped/ sold/ passed on which is why LinkedIn know who my potential contacts are.
Maybe
But I really don't know...
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