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Sharp elbows at the EU

Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:08
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Allow me to do some maths for you.

MEPs = 751
EU population = 508,000,000

Conservative membership = 124,000
UK population = 66,000,000

Percentage of EU population who get to decide new leader = 0.00000147

Percentage of UK who get to decide new PM
= 0.00187879

By my maths that makes the selection of the new UK PM 1287 times as democratic as the selection of the new EU leader.

Itís not just CJ that likes maths. Only my maths really is irrefutable.

BV
You got there before me, worth also pointing out that the next leader of any UK political party is many times less secure in the job than any EU appointee
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:10
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So both electorates are a tiny fraction of 1% of the population. More irrefutable maths.

I find it genuinely amusing that a thread started to knock the EU for having difficulty in choosing a new leader should be demolished so quickly.

Better luck to the OP with the next bit of EU hating.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:15
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Sally

I canít argue with the maths. Iím afraid I am not clever enough to come up with a better way of running any government, be it the UK or the EU.

On that note, itís bed time for BV.

BV
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
So both electorates are a tiny fraction of 1% of the population. More irrefutable maths.

I find it genuinely amusing that a thread started to knock the EU for having difficulty in choosing a new leader should be demolished so quickly.

Better luck to the OP with the next bit of EU hating.
Sorry Sally, I misread your posts as being highly supportive of the EU process.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:17
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Nice one centurion - I mean BV
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:23
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Somewhat surprised that the EU would nominate a convicted criminal to run the ECB.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:29
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Could well be a recommendation, dont you think?
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 19:12
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Are any of these nominations likely to succeed the eu parliamentary vote?

Chicken not quite hatched.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 19:13
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Sorry to disappoint, but:

Germany's Ursula von der Leyen nominated to lead EU Commission

That took three days to decide. How long to we have to wait for our new leader?
Congratulations ! A compromise , but nevertheless a decision ... Merkel still has some magic dust up her
sleeve !
La Garde to run the ECB ... surely not ?
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 19:48
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post
Oh I donít know, Belgium went for 541 days without forming an official government , entered the Guinness book of records and smashed the previous record for non governance held by ... wait for it ... Iraq.
A record which has since been beaten by Northern Ireland, which is....wait for it.....in the UK.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 20:24
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
A record which has since been beaten by Northern Ireland, which is....wait for it.....in the UK.
Nice try ! The UK has a government as Iím sure youíve noticed and as you say N Ireland is part of the UK. The power sharing agreement has indeed broken down thatís true but the main game is always played in Westminster .
Belgium still wins as an independent country without a govt ...
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 20:47
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Well that decision was, of course, in true EU fashion (pop 150000000+) made by a squillionth of a squillionth of the voting public, something Jack D and Pax B should remember before having a go at the UK political parties who canvass their whole membership before electing a leader. (Actually I'm not too clear on how the LibDems do it, I have heard chicken bones are used along with astrological charts).
Not me old boy .. Iím more concerned about the EU process , you might have your Jacks mixed up
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 21:25
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Sorry to disappoint, but:

Germany's Ursula von der Leyen nominated to lead EU Commission

That took three days to decide. How long to we have to wait for our new leader?
Hardly a fair comparison.

One reason that it takes so long before our new leader is installed is that a democratic process takes place in which clearly defined rules need to be followed. There's no horsetrading behind closed doors. The candidates need to compete for the job by convincing firstly their peer group and subsequently their party membership to vote for them. They need to put forward their own manifestos, justify them, and undergo public scrutiny at multiple hustings. The candidates will actually have to work to win the Tory leadership, unlike the President of the EU Commission who will be anointed. So yes, it takes time. But the outcome will be far more democratic than a secretive stitch up in Brussels and the winner will have genuine legitimacy.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 21:49
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Hardly a fair comparison.

One reason that it takes so long before our new leader is installed is that a democratic process takes place in which clearly defined rules need to be followed. There's no horsetrading behind closed doors. The candidates need to compete for the job by convincing firstly their peer group and subsequently their party membership to vote for them. They need to put forward their own manifestos, justify them, and undergo public scrutiny at multiple hustings. The candidates will actually have to work to win the Tory leadership, unlike the President of the EU Commission who will be anointed. So yes, it takes time. But the outcome will be far more democratic than a secretive stitch up in Brussels and the winner will have genuine legitimacy.
Well said ! The anointed candidate has a long record of loyalty to Ms Merkel, and it has to be said is well educated and connected with seven children no less !

Lagarde was lucky to escape jail time !

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 22:55
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All sorted now. If only the British sorted their problems so quickly.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 05:51
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
All sorted now. If only the British sorted their problems so quickly.
Not quite in the context of your post in one sense, but very much so in another.

Leading from the front, here's the fearless Nige in action !.......it would be interesting to learn the collective mental age of the Brexit party MEP's after this petulant , immature , arrogant and just about any other applicable term you can think of display yesterday........that's the bulldog spirit eh ! that'll show those foreign types what the British are made of !......
.https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hem-ode-to-joy

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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 05:54
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Well done chip. biff already whined about that 18 hours ago.

what do the gruaniad make of the bedwetter's antics?
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 06:02
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Well done chip. biff already whined about that 18 hours ago.

what do the gruaniad make of the bedwetter's antics?
Oh dear, how remiss of me not to be logged onto JB and following threads 24hrs a day.......as I'm more than a bit simple, who is "biff " and since you used the term "whining", can we take it you approve of this display ?

Here's your answer.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rotest-cartoon
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 18:17
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Given the state of Germany's defence system seems an odd choice, still she has experience of managing an inefficient directionless shambles I suppose which may come in handy. The ECB is in hardly less safe hands: would have thought the 'B' was a bit of a clue.

Mind you, we have a similar problem here. We want the best person for the job, not the most skillful at glad handing and political manoeuvring.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 19:22
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It does seem a bit tactless to have German music for the European Anthem. Something with less historical political overtones such Sibelius' 'Karelia Suite' would be less tactless. But for the opening of the European Parliament, surely the most apposite would be 'The Hall of the Mountain King' from Greig's 'Peer Gynt' suite!
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